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Everything posted by Rebob5

  1. Typical DTD thread, Started about Troyer and turned into a discussion about laxatives lol 😂
  2. Matt and his Dad are great people, Matt purchased that BB car complete from Mat Williamson and purchased a used BB that we had for sale. Before the race at LOL he only had 2 practice laps in his big block ever, he had a ignition box issue at ransomville practice that caused trouble with his big block and he brought the car and engine to gypsum (we thought it was a easy fix) we ended up removing the engine, fixing it and re dynoing it and him and his father cane to the shop that Thursday to pick up the car and engine. He Bought a 358 from us last year and seemed to pick that up very fast and a top 5 in his first ever big block start is very impressive Rob Hile
  3. There were Canadian geese swimming in the parking lot the other day at Brewerton lol
  4. My Brother Chris Hile owns his own heating and cooling business in the Oswego/Syracuse area... Hile Heating and Cooling Rob Hile
  5. Just Brewerton and the SDS, we are going to build a 358 Incase they decide to run some SB stuff later in the year. Rob Hile
  6. I used to drive across that bridge to get to work at the Gypsum race shop every day, now I have to take the long way through Phoenix. The driver hit the bridge the first time, backed up and tried a second time hit it again and then fled the scene. Word is the bridge is going to be close for a longggg time Rob Hile
  7. I’ve been to OCFS mainly for big races and it’s always awesome paying for a pit pass and having to stand on the front stretch and watch your car go by and then wait for it to come around because you can’t see anything in the pits there. I’ve also been on top of the trailer and can see about 95% of the track and the car that I paid for and help. There needs to be a compromise between not being able to be on the trailer and giving the crew members who pay to get in a place to see the races from. Rob Hile
  8. You forget, when you buy a “latemodel” engine you get a engine with a crank trigger and a single belt and pulley system connecting the crank and waterpump seeing how everything is driven off the back of the engine so your not comparing apples to apples when you compare that to a big Block with a full drive on the front of it, the oil pump alone is $1750 plus $2500 for the complete front drive. I have 5 spread bore billet aluminum blocks in stock right now from when we raced latemodels and they were almost 10 grand a piece
  9. To make the mid pack guy be somewhat competitive with a spec engine it will have to have some sort of a advantage for them to want to run it, at that time the big teams will have the spec engine also. They will show up to the track with both and choose the best option Rob Hile
  10. We turn our big blocks 7600 max (8000 chip) and have run them as long as 2000 laps before a rebuild, normally we get them back at 1500 laps. Block mount fuel pumps are junk these days, you can spend $250 4 times on block mount pumps or $1000 on a belt driven one and run it longer than you will race for. It’s so easy for someone on the outside to have all these suggestions but until you see what it takes to make these things live at 7600 rpm and make the power we do you really don’t have a clue.
  11. Macho, I’m not really sure what the right thing to do. On my Facebook post I said “if anything I have never seen a post with so many people having a opinion on a topic, I’ve had tons of drivers crew ect state what they think of this, I don’t ever remember seeing something like this takes about before. Usually it’s just the rules are changed, here is what you have to have... there is never any talk from the people making the decisions to the people it will effect. I think what needs to happen is everyone needs to get together and talk it out. Engine builders, dirtcar, chassis manufacturers..... Rob Hile
  12. Now back to the open vs crate, we ran open engines and had our complete operation obsoleted when they went crate racing... my open sportsman is in my street car because a engine we had about $12,000 into with really good long lasting parts wasn’t worth $2,500. Back in the open days we had some power to work with, now with the crate being a limited horsepower application power and rotating weight is everything. No one is complaining about the amount of money crate sportsman guys are spending on lightweight 8” ring gear rear ends with coated bearing everywhere in the car... coated wheel bearings ect. The crate guys are spending more on a rolling chassis than a big block guy is. You order a solid spool with solid axles in a big block, pretty standard heavy duty stuff. People are going to spend astronomical amounts of money, Racing is a highly addictive addiction and just like any addiction people will do whatever it takes to get their fix. All the aluminum big block is going to do is make you have 2 options, you are going to need a steel block “open” engine certain places and other places the aluminum engine is going to shine and if you don’t have 1 or the other and the engine is dominant you might as well leave your car in the trailer because you don’t have a chance.
  13. You do sound jerky, it’s not like people are siting at home putting all their pennies in a 5 gallon jug saving up for that fancy crank that they want to buy. When I say it has taken my brother 10 years to get where he is it’s like this, started out with a used 23 degree headed engine we bought from Tom Sears for 8500, ran that thing for years and won a race with it and then like every raised port weld tech head does the intake rocker stand ripped out of the head and it was beyond repair and literally tossed the heads in the garbage. Now you are left with a shortblock, we purchased a set of heads that were in the shelf at gypsum and repaired our engine. In the meantime we were ready to update our engine program and bought a used CC headed 18 degree engine, ran that for years and won 3 races with that one, we sold that engine and applied that towards the new engine we built. Was a set of Mikes 18 degree heads that had been hurt so they were repaired and we built our current engine off of that. So while I say it took my brother 10 years to get where he is it’s not 10 years of saving up every penny we have. The amount of money we spend a year is insane for a family owned team but we have great sponsors that help and there is nothing else I would rather be doing in a Friday night than racing with my family and my racing family. So when you say if you have to save for 3 years you shouldn’t be racing big block you couldn’t be any more wrong.
  14. I think that is a loaded statement because there are lots of guys who can afford to big block race but can’t afford to just go out and spend $27,000 tomorrow. All this talk about people moving up to big block and we must have forgotten about the 358 class. The 358 series has a very user friendly schedule, you can run 358’s weekly at Utica Rome and at Fulton and hell you could bring it to Brewerton in Friday night and be competitive. With that being said you don’t see the masses moving to the 358 class which is even more affordable than the big block class. We sold a couple stout used 358’s complete minus carb for $12,000... that’s not much more than what people are spending on complete crate packages. No matter what you do people are going to spend money, unless you have a spec car, with spec shocks and a spec engine people are going to spend more than others. I don’t think having a $27,000 spec big Block is going to bring 40 new faces to the class next year but it might make 20 familiar faces not be in the class
  15. It took my brother 10 years to get his engine program where it is today, we have 1 good 18 degree big Block and a older 23 degree headed wngine that we have about $6500 into for a spare. So to answer your question it would be physically impossible for a lot of people to go out and spend $27,000 tomorrrow. Most guys have taken years to be where they are today, maybe buy a block this year, a crank next, a used set of heads next. As a engine builder we are going to build engines regardless, so wouldn’t it be in my best interest to want to have to build 30 aluminum spec big blocks next year? You are sadly mistaken if you think I started this because I am concerned about my livelyhood. Rob Hile
  16. I know, 20+ cars already signed up to run the series 70 big blocks at Oswego and awesome racing, 40 big blocks in Charlotte, 40 big blocks in Florida. So we don’t get 37 cars weekly at big block tracks, I’d take 17 good quality cars over 5 great ones and 12 field fillers any day. I just don’t see big Block Racing in a bad of a position that people are saying it’s in. Rob Hile
  17. Aluminum heads arent going to be allowed on the proposed engine, it will be a mandated 23 degree Dart head. Aluminum blocks aren’t cheaper, they cost about the same as a lightened Dart Block and don’t last nearly as long. The aluminum isn’t near as stable as the steel, most top latemodel teams cycle the blocks out after 2 or 3 rebuilds, I am currently in the process of lightning Dart Block serial number 37042 and we have a customer with Dart Block #256 and it won races the last few years. The tough part is the aluminum engine is going to be a huge advantage because of the overall engine being 100# lighter, and there are talks of giving it a weight break against a steel engine. The whole intent of my post was to make everyone aware of the proposed engine because if this engine comes about and it has a definite advantage there are a lot of people who spent years getting their engine peogram where it is today and they won’t be able to go out and buy the new $27,000 spec engine. The other part is this who can afford it will have both options and will be able to pick and choose what engine combination they want to run depending on track conditions. Rob Hile
  18. I was wondering how long it would take before my Facebook post made it on here lol Rob Hile
  19. Usually take us around 12 hours in the hauler, that’s with a diesel fill up and dinner in Virginia Rob Hile
  20. The simple answer to that question is never, you go in knowing you have a slim chance of making the main but as a racer a slim chance is all you need to go there. The car count goes up year after year and will continue to grow just as it has. If you have a decent car and a lot of luck even the little guy can make the show. That’s just my opinion Rob Hile
  21. This is a good topic, At LJL/Kevlar where I work we try to do as much as we can in house. We order our blocks from Dart Machinery, we use only dart blocks on all of our engines. Some engine builders use a “GM” block that is lighter but is not as strong as the purpose built Dart block. If you were to break a engine more than likely the Dart block can be repaired as to where the GM block will most likely get thrown away. For example we just did a brand new engine and the serial number on the block was 35367 and one of the engines Mike Payne Racing has is serial number 256 and it’s still kicking. We are fortunate to have a CNC machine that I run and we lighten every Dart block that we run to reduce the weight of the block, it spends almost a week in the CNC and I take about 35 pounds total off the block. All the other major components for the engine we buy from manufacturers, we don’t technically fabricate any parts in house. We buy the cranks, rods, pistons, camshaft all to our specs, we buy the cranks rough balanced and then I finish balance everything. The heads come from the manufacturer, we are able to do all the work on the heads when they are ready for rebuild, we can change guides, do valve jobs, surface heads etc. the rules pretty much limit a big block to a point, you are only allowed up to 477 cubic inch, can only run a minimum of 18 degree heads. There are lots of different combinations that you can build and each change effects the other so it is a balancing act to find a combination that is reliable and is a race winning engine. You can get to the 477 cubic inch 100 different ways depending on what bore and stroke you run and each engine builder has his own preference on what he likes to build. If you have any other questions I will be glad to answer them. Rob Hile
  22. Luckily we never sold it, it sat in the parking lot where they keep all the over the road tractors. Had a few people interested in it but no one ever showed up with money. Correct, 4 haulers in total, Wards, Decker’s and larrys sprint and mod haulers. Rob Hile
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