19 replies to this topic

[olds23p]

Just heard that both of bobby varins cars have made it through tech with no issues .

[Casper60]

Were they expecting them not to? lol

[Mike Mitchell]

so did hearns and most evryone elses..........

[The Rabbitt]

The 13 failed.....

Anyone else find is amusing whats old is new again? If you take the hood off Sheppard's car and add it to Hearn's Nose... It looks awfully familiar...

http://3widespicturevault.com/80spisc&vitals/11.19.03___$_PLO_FLM_0080_1.htm

[fiend540]

The 13 failed.....

Anyone else find is amusing whats old is new again? If you take the hood off Sheppard's car and add it to Hearn's Nose... It looks awfully familiar...

http://3widespicture..._FLM_0080_1.htm

Well, as someone not into the loop have the rules really changed or been opened up in the past 10 years to really allow anything new or innovative?

[KB19]

Did Steiner make it through at all yet?

[rev600ho]

Did Steiner make it through at all yet?

Big block did..........358 didnt.........Hearns shouldnt have either!

[luke81]

They should let them innovate all they want on the nose. When has a fancy nose wont the race? Steiner's doesn't even look to be all that effective, since it isn't wide enough to even cover the right shock like most of them are.

[Mustangbru8]

What is so trick about Hearn's that he shouldn't have made it through

[Michael Peek]

Its funny how they try and stop racers from making their cars more aerodynamic. But these things should be let go. Its innovation coming into play into our sport. After all, if it wasnt for a few changes way back when by Mr. Balough we'd probably still be racing a "stock car."

[Casper60]

Hey now... we all know creativity and engineering are not allowed in dirt racing. In fact I propse we limit the cars and engines to 1 manufacturer. Lets finish making these spec cars and get on with it already.

[HR3 21H]

Hey now... we all know creativity and engineering are not allowed in dirt racing. In fact I propse we limit the cars and engines to 1 manufacturer. Lets finish making these spec cars and get on with it already.

I'm not one to typically call another out but Barrett you praise these motors as the only way you could race. You cant keep going from one side to another, either you like them or not. IF these were spec cars anyone and I repeat anyone can win. However you still see for the most part guys who put the time in, work on the cars and have the ability winning. The crate motors are not one bit different than our old open motors. ALMOST EVERYONE was running a DART block with 200 dart heads stamped 180 and all pretty much ran the same bottom end with done up 2 barrels. The only difference was who's name was on the hood and the bill at the end. Please tell me I am wrong, but I know I am not. If people cant embrace the crate program then dint watch. Yes open motors are way more fun to drive, they produce racing with more passing, but in the end the same guys who were winning with open motors, are winning with crates. You can also toss in a few new top caliber drivers who got into them who wouldn't have had the chance to, thanks to the open motors.

But back to the topic at hand, does anyone have a pic of Varins car so we can see what the big hoopla over the nose is.

[Casper60]

I'm not one to typically call another out but Barrett you praise these motors as the only way you could race.

This had nothing to do with sportsman Justin. Last I checked Hearn and Steiner run big blocks right? We were talking about tech on big blocks right? where did you get anything about sportsman out of that?

[The Rabbitt]

I think we can all agree we'd be better off without an further aerodynamics coming into play in dirt modifieds then the disaster we already have.

[Casper60]

I think we can all agree we'd be better off without an further aerodynamics coming into play in dirt modifieds then the disaster we already have.

I never really thought they were a disaster. The thing is we don't have to get crazy with them, but some variation would be nice. The exotic stuff has always been saved for Syracuse and in the last decate, all creativity has been shot down. This is the one race that should have some variation and a little more room in the rules to play with that stuff. Hearn's nose (for example) would never cut it on a short track. That thing would be wadded up first night out.

[Greg]

I personally can't wait for this time of year to see what kind of stuff people dreamed up to try to gain a little advantage in the grey area of the rule book.

So I, for one, welcome innovation in that respect.

Just not so crazy that we're racing cars that look like they have F1 wings on them lol

[luke81]

I think we can all agree we'd be better off without an further aerodynamics coming into play in dirt modifieds then the disaster we already have.

May I ask why? Air is free and aluminum is cheap. Fancy shocks, new cars, etc... are not free or cheap. Air takes knowledge instead of dollars! Now at the mile nothing is going to replace power of course, but figuring out how to reduce drag can help.

[fastbackss]

Air is free until you start taking the car to the wind tunnel.

[SteveC38]

Seriously? You guys are upset at something called innovation? Last I checked, its what this sport was founded upon and is severely lacking in this day. Cheers to guys like Stephane Lafrance and Brett Hearn. They are innovaters, constantly looking for an edge. They do the same things we could be doing in our garages, on our computers. They may have a few more tools to play with but they have put themselves in a position to be creative and arent afraid to try new things, think outside the box. A tape measure, sheet metal brake and some hand tools will get you started. Lets not forget the biggest tools, that of a brain and a set of brass balls. If Joe Blow from Mexico, NY came out with something wildly creative and blew all the big guns doors off, you would applaud him. But because its Brett, you have disdain. Sad. I am not a Hearn fan by any means. I just am in love with the idea with which this great sport we all love was founded on. Brett and Bobby Hearn, Billy Colton, Randy Williamson, the Little Hammer, one of the Flach boys, and many more we dont know exemplify what racing is. Okay. I will get off my soapbox. I just wish people could appreciate innovation no matter whos car its on.

[luke81]

Air is free until you start taking the car to the wind tunnel.

A wind tunnel isn't like a shock dyno or an engine dyno. They are not easy to find or inexpensive to rent. A team would need to spend the winners payout of the race or more to get enough time in the tunnel to make any difference, making it a very foolish investment. A more sensible way to make your car work better is to hire an engineer to use CFD software to run the car in a "virtual windtunnel" and suggest changes based on his findings. But who is to say that isn't already happening?