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3 minutes ago, dan dan said:

Just me, but one would think in this day and age, you can blow in a tube and well your to drunk to drive, but someone hasn't figured out how to have you blow in a tube and say hey, you had to much hippy lettuce to drive right then and there. Makes no sense. Then it turns into did you have it a bit ago or last week?

They have saliva tests that can show current levels. Like anything else "new" in the legal system, it should be usable in about 63 years.

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Total Discrimination against anybody who has smoked marijuana on their own time days or weeks before a race. They should make alcohol testing mandatory. And if anybody tests positive they should be suspended. A hair test would work fine. Detection of alcohol in hair samples can show up as long as 90 days. Automatic suspension. No different than marijuana. Stop discriminating! Make it safe for ALL drivers to get strapped in!

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2 hours ago, JazzyJeff89 said:

Why isn't there. Are doctors and scientists stupid? No but they are scarred if the say something that goes against federal govt what will happen to them. Either lose their jobs or be discredited. IMO

Whatever you’re trying to say, it’s nonsense.

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3 hours ago, jumper12a said:

Even where it’s legal to smoke/take marijuana, it’s still illegal & unsafe to operate a motorized vehicle.

This. Posters seems to be willfully ignoring this fact.

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59 minutes ago, B-Train said:

Whatever you’re trying to say, it’s nonsense.

How so because you don't agree with me? That's fine this is America. 13 states have legal recreational marijuana 24 medical they agree to apparently.FFTR no one is suggesting driving under the influence of weed. Just like no one suggests you take prescription medicine or drink and drive but those are legal. The simple fact is marijuana has a longer half life and therefore stays in your fat cells long after you were " high" hope this helps.

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Three things.

First the reason I started this thread was to find out if the suspension was just hearsay or true. I found it odd that I could not find any story about it on any racing website,  twitter, facebook page, or racing news outlet.  etc.  Nothing.  

JMO. But maybe if it had been another driver who tested hott?  It probably would of been front page news.

Secondly,  It was probably a mistake to even ask about it.   Because now the topic has become some sort of marijuana smoker rights crusade? 😄    Perhaps  I missed it.  But it has not been reported what was in Kyle's system anyhow.  

Thirdly.   The substance  rules are the rules.   Anyone  can argue about whether they are right or wrong.  Drivers and fans.   But drivers have a choice to follow them or go race somewhere else.   Not really all that hard to figure

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Ive said all I have to say anyway. I hope it's not anything harder than weed for the sake of the young man. Just saying punishing someone for something 80% of us on this forum have at the very least tried without being able to prove he was actually high that day is not very cool. That is all.

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1 hour ago, B-Train said:

Whatever you’re trying to say, it’s nonsense.

It actually isn't nonsense. Cannabis as a Schedule I drug (akin to heroin, LSD, and ecstacy as examples) makes scientific research much harder to do. For example, fentanyl is Schedule II drug like adderall and vicodin, and can be researched much more easily. Are those safer than cannabis? The only reason why states can allow for medical or recreational use is a memo by the Department of Justice saying they won't prosecute, and what's called the Rohrabacher-Farr Amendment. 

By virtue of being a Schedule I drug, advances that should be made, haven't been made. Nobody argues you should operate a vehicle, let alone a race car under the influence of cannabis. Ignoring the fact that it stays in your system without the psychoactive effects for much longer than hard drugs just ignores the facts. 

And yes, of course, if rules are in place they should be followed and those subject to testing knew it was a chance they were willing to take. But not many people know that drug testing didn't become prevalent in the U.S. until the 80's, and there is still a cogent argument that they are an unconstitutional search and seizure.  

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Does anyone actually know what he got busted for, because if it was just weed!!then things have to change.Test guys for alcohol and see how that goes.Their's such a stigma when it comes to weed, it's ridiculous.If your looking for something that is way harder on your system its booze, hard on your job booze.hard on your personal life booze.People have to wake the hell up, the real demon is booze not weed.

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The only thing that you anti-pot people have said that holds any water is "the rules are the rules".  ... Period.  ... If you agree to play by a set of rules, and you break those rules, you pay the price. 

Beyond that ... give it up. seriously.

Anyone who rode in a car I was driving when I was straight and when i was stoned will tell you that they wish I didn't quit smoking pot. I was calmer, less distracted, smoother on the pedals and wheel, and probably better in any aspect of driving that you can think of.

Any of you who remember racing me in DTR2 probably remember how I couldn't get out of my own way until I got stoned later at night, and then ran consistently competitive. I recorded the top 5 (maybe more) fastest times ever ... by anyone ... on the Syracuse track ... all in the 18.5 - 18.6 bracket. Most of you never broke 19.

That's just me. You can't apply it to the next guy. It doesn't work that way for anything that may impair a person. Not even alcohol. (I used to race go karts with a guy who drank 30+ beers before he raced and rarely finished outside the top 3).

You cannot gauge impairment by the volume of a substance that a person has consumed. It doesn't work that way, and it never will. You can only speculate by comparing it to other people. The only accurate way to gauge impairment is to actually gauge the impairment itself  ... things like coordination and reactions.

Anyway ... you are right ... the rules are the rules ... he broke the rules ... he needs to be punished for breaking the rules. he knew the price before he ingested whatever it is he actually ingested.

Beyond that ... why go on about something you don't know much (if anything) about?


 

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5 minutes ago, GasketCase said:

The only thing that you anti-pot people have said that holds any water is "the rules are the rules".  ... Period.  ... If you agree to play by a set of rules, and you break those rules, you pay the price. 

Beyond that ... give it up. seriously.

Anyone who rode in a car I was driving when I was straight and when i was stoned will tell you that they wish I didn't quit smoking pot. I was calmer, less distracted, smoother on the pedals and wheel, and probably better in any aspect of driving that you can think of.

Any of you who remember racing me in DTR2 probably remember how I couldn't get out of my own way until I got stoned later at night, and then ran consistently competitive. I recorded the top 5 (maybe more) fastest times ever ... by anyone ... on the Syracuse track ... all in the 18.5 - 18.6 bracket. Most of you never broke 19.

That's just me. You can't apply it to the next guy. It doesn't work that way for anything that may impair a person. Not even alcohol. (I used to race go karts with a guy who drank 30+ beers before he raced and rarely finished outside the top 3).

You cannot gauge impairment by the volume of a substance that a person has consumed. It doesn't work that way, and it never will. You can only speculate by comparing it to other people. The only accurate way to gauge impairment is to actually gauge the impairment itself  ... things like coordination and reactions.

Anyway ... you are right ... the rules are the rules ... he broke the rules ... he needs to be punished for breaking the rules. he knew the price before he ingested whatever it is he actually ingested.

Beyond that ... why go on about something you don't know much (if anything) about?


 

How stoned were you when you wrote this?

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4 hours ago, GasketCase said:

The only thing that you anti-pot people have said that holds any water is "the rules are the rules".  ... Period.  ... If you agree to play by a set of rules, and you break those rules, you pay the price. 

Beyond that ... give it up. seriously.

Anyone who rode in a car I was driving when I was straight and when i was stoned will tell you that they wish I didn't quit smoking pot. I was calmer, less distracted, smoother on the pedals and wheel, and probably better in any aspect of driving that you can think of.

Any of you who remember racing me in DTR2 probably remember how I couldn't get out of my own way until I got stoned later at night, and then ran consistently competitive. I recorded the top 5 (maybe more) fastest times ever ... by anyone ... on the Syracuse track ... all in the 18.5 - 18.6 bracket. Most of you never broke 19.

That's just me. You can't apply it to the next guy. It doesn't work that way for anything that may impair a person. Not even alcohol. (I used to race go karts with a guy who drank 30+ beers before he raced and rarely finished outside the top 3).

You cannot gauge impairment by the volume of a substance that a person has consumed. It doesn't work that way, and it never will. You can only speculate by comparing it to other people. The only accurate way to gauge impairment is to actually gauge the impairment itself  ... things like coordination and reactions.

Anyway ... you are right ... the rules are the rules ... he broke the rules ... he needs to be punished for breaking the rules. he knew the price before he ingested whatever it is he actually ingested.

Beyond that ... why go on about something you don't know much (if anything) about?


 

Weed, the new traction control!  :)

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3 hours ago, chas71 said:

Weed, the new traction control!  :)

If that were true there would be a weed field behind the red car's shop in Fulton......LOL......just joking!

 

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12 hours ago, JazzyJeff89 said:

Just saying punishing someone for something 80% of us on this forum have at the very least tried without being able to prove he was actually high that day is not very cool.

I guess I’m in the 20% then......

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23 minutes ago, jumper12a said:

I guess I’m in the 20% then......

You're like this without drugs? My point is proven 🤣

 

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1 hour ago, GasketCase said:

You're like this without drugs? My point is proven 🤣

 

Curious why you made the decision to quit?

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I dont care who smokes or who doesnt but I'm more intrigued by some of the names who passed lol. Who'd have thunk?

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17 hours ago, leroy said:

First the reason I started this thread was to find out if the suspension was just hearsay or true. I found it odd that I could not find any story about it on any racing website,  twitter, facebook page, or racing news outlet.  etc.  Nothing.  

Probably because nothing "official" has been sent out by the sanctioning body.  At least here at DTD, we aren't going to post something as serious as a driver failing a drug test without having some rock solid concrete proof.  As of this moment, that proof hasn't been supplied.

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9 minutes ago, macho said:

I dont care who smokes or who doesnt but I'm more intrigued by some of the names who passed lol. Who'd have thunk?

That's what I was thinking as well.

 

12 hours ago, GasketCase said:

I quit smoking weed years ago. How stoned were you when you read it?

No body would know who I was if I quit smoking weed. My wife would throw me out if didn't smoke, She say's i'm like a stripper in a dollar machine that only throws $100. Off the wall  crazy

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20 minutes ago, macho said:

I dont care who smokes or who doesnt but I'm more intrigued by some of the names who passed lol. Who'd have thunk?

They weren't checking for viagra...😁

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13 hours ago, GasketCase said:

The only thing that you anti-pot people have said that holds any water is "the rules are the rules".  ... Period.  ... If you agree to play by a set of rules, and you break those rules, you pay the price. 

Beyond that ... give it up. seriously.

I tend to agree.  I don't know enough about the effects of marijuana to really have an intelligent conversation one way or the other.  What I do know, is that the rulebook clearly states that they can, and will test for this sort of thing, so i'm going with the "the rules are the rules" argument.  lol

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Pursuant to this Policy, prohibited substances include those substances that, in the WRG’s sole determination or in collaboration with the Administrator, may adversely affect the safety and well-being of the Participants or the competition at a WRG event. Such substances include, but are not limited to, illegal drugs and the paraphernalia associated with the use of illegal drugs. WRG reserves the right, in its sole discretion, to make a determination with regard to the prohibition of any substance at any time.

You can argue till you're blue in the face about whether or not it makes you a better or worse driver, or if you smoked a week ago or an hour ago.  Everyone knows how long this stuff stays in your system, and everyone who signs in to compete in a Super DIRTcar Series event knows that DIRTcar might test for it.  It's stated clearly in the rulebook.

IF he tested positive (because again, no one has seen anything official from the sanctioning body) i'm sure the punishment for the positive test will be in line with what they've outlined in the rulebook.  End of story... 

Also, for those saying they need to test for alcohol as well, they have that covered as well: 

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On event days, Participants in WRG events are strictly prohibited from consuming or being under the influence of alcohol prior to or during the event. Participants shall be deemed under the influence of alcohol if a test taken before, during, or immediately after participation (in any capacity) indicates a blood alcohol content level at or above 20 mg per 100ml (.02%). However, nothing in the terms and conditions of this Policy shall prevent WRG from exercising its sole discretion to determine that a Participant evidencing alcohol usage in any amount (even with a blood alcohol content level of below 20mg per 100ml [.02%]) is under the influence and/or physically unfit for participating in the event. WRG reserves the right and ability to take such action in the interest of safety and in the best interest of the sport.

 

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23 minutes ago, FondaFan16 said:

I tend to agree.  I don't know enough about the effects of marijuana to really have an intelligent conversation one way or the other.  What I do know, is that the rulebook clearly states that they can, and will test for this sort of thing, so i'm going with the "the rules are the rules" argument.  lol

You can argue till you're blue in the face about whether or not it makes you a better or worse driver, or if you smoked a week ago or an hour ago.  Everyone knows how long this stuff stays in your system, and everyone who signs in to compete in a Super DIRTcar Series event knows that DIRTcar might test for it.  It's stated clearly in the rulebook.

IF he tested positive (because again, no one has seen anything official from the sanctioning body) i'm sure the punishment for the positive test will be in line with what they've outlined in the rulebook.  End of story... 

Also, for those saying they need to test for alcohol as well, they have that covered as well: 

 

There are a few Dirtcar sanctioned tracks that I have witnessed many times people, including drivers, coming from the pits to the beer booth all nite long

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