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17 hours ago, JAR1972 said:

All casinos can open in NY but still can't have fans at a race track that's outdoors.

I hope I can explain this right so you understand the point I am trying to make.

My girlfriend is a tree hugging liberal. Those are her words, not mine. I tend to walk the middle of the road, picking the best from both sides. Needless to say, she and I don't agree about much in the political world. She is an advocate of alternative fuels to save the environment, and I have no desire to attend electric car racing.

At first when this Covid crap broke news, my girlfriend was in full support of Cuomo. But then as time went on, the errors of his ways started making her question his logic, and now she thinks he has a vendetta like the rest of us.

I have 2 step grandkids - both baseball nuts. One is 13 and plays for a travel league. His brother just turned 4 and started T Ball last week. Their mom, my stepdaughter, is a major baseball fan. She had been going nuts not being able to watch her kids play ball. She was saying the other day that parents can't sit in bleachers yet. They bring lawn chairs and line the sidelines to social distance.

When I said this to my girlfriend, she laughed. She has been to the stock car races before and fully agrees that social distancing in the stands would be relatively easy if they limited seating to half capacity. But you could open the infield for those who wanted to bring lawn chairs like they do at Williams Grove.

She is convinced that when auto racing promoters tried to sneak in through the religious loophole when that was overturned in court, it scorched Cuomo's ass. And while nobody did anything illegal, he makes sure that every new executive order includes the words "auto racing."

Because that is basically what it's been.

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26 minutes ago, BobMiller said:

She is convinced that when auto racing promoters tried to sneak in through the religious loophole when that was overturned in court, it scorched Cuomo's ass. And while nobody did anything illegal, he makes sure that every new executive order includes the words "auto racing."

Because that is basically what it's been.

Not trying to get in the politics of good cuomo vs bad cuomo, but this is what people like myself were talking about when we questioned if what some of the tracks were doing would have a negative affect on when they can open. I will openly admit that I'm not a fan, but at the end of the day, he has power, and I have none. Sometimes you can't just go around trying to fight for whatever you want, just sitting back and dealing with it instead of trying to find every single loophole might have worked out better for us race fans in NY. I know this makes me a "subservient dog" "willing to be led around on a leash being told where I can go" (as blowinblackboogers put it) but as someone who actually wanted to attend races, I think trying not to piss off the guy who determines what opens vs doesn't get to open might have been the better route for dirt tracks and dirt fans for in-person viewing this summer.

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1 hour ago, dirt54 said:

Not trying to get in the politics of good cuomo vs bad cuomo, but this is what people like myself were talking about when we questioned if what some of the tracks were doing would have a negative affect on when they can open. I will openly admit that I'm not a fan, but at the end of the day, he has power, and I have none. Sometimes you can't just go around trying to fight for whatever you want, just sitting back and dealing with it instead of trying to find every single loophole might have worked out better for us race fans in NY. I know this makes me a "subservient dog" "willing to be led around on a leash being told where I can go" (as blowinblackboogers put it) but as someone who actually wanted to attend races, I think trying not to piss off the guy who determines what opens vs doesn't get to open might have been the better route for dirt tracks and dirt fans for in-person viewing this summer.

MIGHT have been.....

Thats a big might .......

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3 hours ago, BobMiller said:

I hope I can explain this right so you understand the point I am trying to make.

My girlfriend is a tree hugging liberal. Those are her words, not mine. I tend to walk the middle of the road, picking the best from both sides. Needless to say, she and I don't agree about much in the political world. She is an advocate of alternative fuels to save the environment, and I have no desire to attend electric car racing.

At first when this Covid crap broke news, my girlfriend was in full support of Cuomo. But then as time went on, the errors of his ways started making her question his logic, and now she thinks he has a vendetta like the rest of us.

I have 2 step grandkids - both baseball nuts. One is 13 and plays for a travel league. His brother just turned 4 and started T Ball last week. Their mom, my stepdaughter, is a major baseball fan. She had been going nuts not being able to watch her kids play ball. She was saying the other day that parents can't sit in bleachers yet. They bring lawn chairs and line the sidelines to social distance.

When I said this to my girlfriend, she laughed. She has been to the stock car races before and fully agrees that social distancing in the stands would be relatively easy if they limited seating to half capacity. But you could open the infield for those who wanted to bring lawn chairs like they do at Williams Grove.

She is convinced that when auto racing promoters tried to sneak in through the religious loophole when that was overturned in court, it scorched Cuomo's ass. And while nobody did anything illegal, he makes sure that every new executive order includes the words "auto racing."

Because that is basically what it's been.

I'm quite sure Mr. Cuomo hasn't forgot the huge banners being displayed at Syracuse when  it was announced our super dirt week at the moody mile would be no more! ( F--K Cuomo )

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19 minutes ago, robertmorris said:

I'm quite sure Mr. Cuomo hasn't forgot the huge banners being displayed at Syracuse when  it was announced our super dirt week at the moody mile would be no more! ( F--K Cuomo )

Agreed. His mind was made up way before anything that happened this year.

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As long as fans can't attend auto races in NY, no fans can attend football or baseball games in NY either.  Just waiting for Andy to give the NFL and MLB "special exemptions" for fans to attend and still not allow fans at race tracks!

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43 minutes ago, JAR1972 said:

As long as fans can't attend auto races in NY, no fans can attend football or baseball games in NY either.  Just waiting for Andy to give the NFL and MLB "special exemptions" for fans to attend and still not allow fans at race tracks!

I think it was already announced the bills won’t be able to have any fans 

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Race fans in general are not King Andy's Political base, tracks in general take up valuable space that his main supporters from Brooklyn and Monsey want to use for other purposes  . He is doing the exact same thing to race tracks  that he has done and is doing to restaurants in NYC . Restaurant owners filed a lawsuit against him so he  proceeds to keep them closed. He basically came out and said as much. When he got called out in the press for being the tyrant that he is, he shifted blame then said "ok you can open after you have this enforcement or that" (none of witch are remotely possible  ...basically moving the unattainable  goal post). For the most part this virus has been an excuse for a power grab and he has no intention of giving up any power. The industry I work in that was shut down for 3 months is back to "normal" kinda/sorta but thats because the lobby group for my industry bought 10k a plate dinners and made contributions on his behalf ...cost of being "allowed" to do business. this is not democrat or republican thing Cuomo is basically a pay for play corrupt gangster         

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I think they already announced no fans at Metlife stadium this year.  The stadium actually resides over the border in NJ so Cuomo probably didnt have any say in that one.  I would agree it doesnt seem fair that casinos are allowed open but race tracks are not.  When they allowed drive in theatres but closed down OCFS drive in you could see auto racing was being discriminated against.

I live in MA and we have one track here, Seekonk located near the RI border.  Seekonk has seating all the way around the track.  Has multiple snack stands, a couple of different bathroom facilities and entry gates.  If there was any place where you could effectively social distance it is Seekonk.  They are not allowed fans to attend races.  They were running driver only races then MA put in a travel from RI.  The ban required a negative test within 48 hours from RI residents to attend.  At the time testing was taking about a week to get results.  Seekonk has about 40-50 percent of their drivers are from RI.  It basically forced them to shut down until that ban was lifted.  They run a small car enduro style Friday show and Saturday show.  To date I dont think the Saturday show has run anything but practice.  The friday shows resumed back up last week.

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2 hours ago, csg said:

When they allowed drive in theatres but closed down OCFS drive in you could see auto racing was being discriminated against.

 

When the drive-in at OCFS was open for several weeks, the conspiracy theory on here was that Halmar bought their way into special treatment with Cuomo. That theory went bust and was quickly discarded on here.

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2 hours ago, FightForTheRail said:

When the drive-in at OCFS was open for several weeks, the conspiracy theory on here was that Halmar bought their way into special treatment with Cuomo. That theory went bust and was quickly discarded on here.

The drive inn got closed the minute Cuomo got sued by those other tracks ....  

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I don't understand how everyone that is convinced Cuomo has a specific vendetta against race tracks squares that with the same limits of no spectators at Saratoga and Belmont Park for horse racing or the currently being staged US Open Tennis tournament. 

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Well for one, like was mentioned before why were fans banned from OCFS? They had a good system that promoted separation and safety?

And the fact that he threatened Counties and their Departments if they didn't enforce his new rules. I supported him during his Covid fight. But now it's no longer about Covid but about people respecting him and his authority. The law suit, and some tracks trying to wiggle around the rules didn't help. I don't think the law suit was a bad idea, but I think much more work should of went in to it. And as mentioned before, most race fans don't care to much for Cuomo and he knows that. He has no connection to racing, he doesn't care about racing, unless it's about sport cars.

It's sad, I considered Cuomo a good man doing a good thing. But its become clear that absolute power absolutely corrupts.

Oh and a correction, Cuomo didn't put the restrictions on no indoor customers in restaurants in NYC. That was the Mayor of NYC. He is a completely different mess. lol

Right now lets take what we can get. Support DTDtv and the tracks that are trying to make it work.

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Fonda's drive in section & grandstands was also shut down around the same time, then Canandaigua. It seems if you want something open, you have to go to downtown Albany & make a stink. Worked for hair dressers, nail salons, restaurants, bowling alleys & now casinos. They were all at one point protesting downtown, then all of a sudden they were allowed to open. 

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6 hours ago, In the Shadows said:

Fonda's drive in section & grandstands was also shut down around the same time, then Canandaigua. It seems if you want something open, you have to go to downtown Albany & make a stink. Worked for hair dressers, nail salons, restaurants, bowling alleys & now casinos. They were all at one point protesting downtown, then all of a sudden they were allowed to open. 

He had to reopen the barbershop.  Hi crown was getting tight.

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