Albany Saratoga Speedway Rules

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[quote]6. ANY ENGINE FOUND TO BE ILLEGAL will result in a complete disqualification and suspension for one (1) year from the
date of your disqualification from Albany‐Saratoga / Lebanon Valley Auto Racing.[/quote]

Kudos to Howie & Lyle, because that is the best rule I have seen for the 602 division in a long time.

I do remember some cubby go lucky fella saying "boot them for 1 calendar year" and they made my dream come true. lol

Full rules posted below for some divisions at the once again great race place...

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[size="4"][color="#FF8C00"][b]2012 BUDGET SPORTSMAN RULES[/b][/color][/size]
This class cannot be compromised! Cheating will not be tolerated, and cheaters will be eliminated
from Dirt tracks for at least an entire season (1 year).

[color="#FF8C00"]All 2012 DIRT Rules Will Apply For The Budget Sportsman
With The Following Exceptions Which Will Pertain To Albany‐Saratoga Speedway:[/color]
 GM Crate Engine Part# 88958602 / 19258602.
 Engine must remain OEM factory stock with seals in place.
 Transponders and race‐ceiver’s are mandatory (track frequency is 454.000).

[color="#FF8C00"]1. CARBURETORS[/color] –
a. Holly Part #’s 4777, 80777 and 80541‐1/(2).
b. Carb spacers cannot be tapered. Single hole only. Maximum 1” thick.
c. Air filter part # KNN‐61‐4000 series are not legal. No plastic inserts. Flow control air filters or inserts to direct the air
flow into the carburetor will not be allowed.

[color="#FF8C00"]2. DRIVESHAFT[/color] – Only magnetic steel drive shafts will be permitted. Titanium and/or aluminum drive shafts and/or drive
shaft yokes and/or driveline components will not be permitted.

[color="#FF8C00"]3. ENGINE COOLING SYSTEM / RADIATOR[/color] – The cooling fan for the radiator must be mounted in the stock OEM location
on the front of the water pump. Fans mounted to the crankshaft will not be permitted. Electric cooling fans and/or
pumps will not be permitted.

[color="#FF8C00"]4. FUEL[/color] – Race gas or commercially available pump gas may be used.

[color="#FF8C00"]5. SHOCK CLAIMING RULE –[/color]
a. $150.00 – Anything above this will be confiscated.
b. 2009 DIRT shock rules are in effect.

[color="#FF8C00"]6. WHEELS & TIRES –[/color]
a. Aluminum or Steel wheels will be allowed. Budget Sportsman tires (Hoosier, Goodyear, LV American Race
Sportsman tires, or Accord Speedway’s tire allowed). Minimum circumference = Left Rear 86”, Right Rear 91”, DIRT
Sportsman tires are allowed.
b. Left rear tires are not permitted on the right rear. No mixing and matching.
c. Maximum wheel width is 14”.

[color="#FF8C00"]7. WEIGHTS –[/color] 2400 lbs., tsp.

[color="#FF8C00"]8. REAR END[/color] – Conventional quick change only. No limited slip, No lockers, No two (2) speeds.

[color="#FF8C00"]9. HEADERS[/color] – 1 5/8” headers only. Headers must not exceed 1 5/8” maximum outside diameter from the head flange to
the collector. NO Tri‐Y headers or step headers. No COATED. Schoenfeld part# 1122bcm is allowed.

[color="#FF8C00"]10. BATTERY[/color] – Only one (1) 12 volt battery will be permitted. May not measure more than 14.3v. No step up transformer
or any other devise that increases the voltage will be allowed.

[color="#FF8C00"]11. HANDICAPPING[/color] –
a. Any driver who wins two (2) features in a season will then start no further ahead than twelfth (12).
b. Any driver who wins four (4) or more features in a season will then start no further ahead than the last qualified
handicapped position.

[color="#FF8C00"]PROTEST PROCEDURE[/color] –
1. The track reserves the right to inspect any crate engine part# 88958602 / 19258602 on any given night.

2. In the event of a protest, the protested cars engine will be removed and secured in a predetermined location mutually
agreed upon by the track and protested car owner.

3. The engine will be tested on a dyno at a specific location on a mutually agreed upon date and time. The driver and/or
car owner of the protested car and the protestee will be the only ones allowed along with track management at the
dyno location. No crew members, friends or family members, etc…, will be permitted to attend.

4. If the engine exceeds GM specs by a predetermined amount of horsepower, the motor will be further inspected along
with disqualification. The illegal part(s) will become the property of Albany‐Saratoga / Lebanon Valley Auto Racing.

5. Protest will follow track procedure with a fee of $500 (cash). $300 going to the protested car if found legal. If the
protested is found illegal $300 will be returned to the protestor. In either event $200 will be given to the dyno.

6. ANY ENGINE FOUND TO BE ILLEGAL will result in a complete disqualification and suspension for one (1) year from the
date of your disqualification from Albany‐Saratoga / Lebanon Valley Auto Racing.

7. Drivers are responsible for their owners, teams and sponsors actions.

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[color="#FF8C00"][size="5"][b]2012 BIG BLOCK / SMALL BLOCK MODIFIED RULES
WE WILL FOLLOW THE 2012 DIRT RULEBOOK AS A GUIDELINE[/b][/size][/color]
[color="#FF8C00"]1. WEIGHTS[/color] –
a. All Big Block Modifieds utilizing a Big Block engine must maintain a minimum weight of 2,450lbs following
the completion of any event.
b. All Big Block Modifieds utilizing a DIRTcar 500 Big Block engine must maintain a minimum weight of
2,450lbs following the completion of any event.
c. All Modifieds utilizing a DIRTcar 358 Modified engine with the Brodix “Spec” heads, ported intake and “triy”
exhaust must maintain a minimum weight of 2,400lbs following the completion of any event.
d. All Modifieds utilizing a Brodix “Spec.” DIRTcar 358 Modified engine with the stock intake manifold
(reference 15.3.A.; 15.1.3; 15.1.2 A.) and spec. Schoenfeld headers and a steel or aluminum oil pan must
maintain a minimum weight of 2,350lbs following the completion of any event.
e. All Modifieds utilizing a ported steel head DIRTcar 358 engine, or Brodix ported “Spec” heads must
maintain a minimum weight of 2,450lbs following the completion of any event.
[color="#FF8C00"]*NOTE[/color] – Weights are subject to change per racetracks discretion if management deems that there is an
unfair advantage with a particular engine program.
*Track scale pounds (TSP) are final. NO 2%.
*A (1”) number must be displayed on the cowl of racecar representing the weight pertaining to your
engine package (ex. 2450).

[color="#FF8C00"]2. CARBURETOR[/color] – Please refer to DIRT rule 15.1.1 in the DIRT Rulebook.
3. Wet Sump only (Small Blocks).

[color="#FF8C00"]4. VALVES[/color] – No other degree angling of valves on Small Blocks (23 degrees only).

[color="#FF8C00"]5. TIRES[/color] – To be decided.

[zlssefi]

our rules have had the same caveat about crate cheating since the division started in 2009. I have witnessed an illegal car get swept under the rug, even when protest money was put up. Like they say its howies sandbox!

[Custom Bob]

[quote name='haZer' timestamp='1322516191' post='357917']
Kudos to Howie & Lyle, because that is the best rule I have seen for the 602 division in a long time.

I do remember some cubby go lucky fella saying "boot them for 1 calendar year" and they made my dream come true. lol

Full rules posted below for some divisions at the once again great race place...
[/quote]


+2 Uncle Howie and Cousin Lyle get it!!! I've been preaching for that rule since they started. It's the only way to Police the division. Now as long as they keep the purses down to detour some of the BIG spending. If racers want to spend BIG money....buy a Big Block and go modified.
The only bad thing with the rule is if Joe Smoe buys a used motor and it's cheated up without Joe's knowing. So Beware buyers of used Crates and grab bags!

[puppyd]

The one year suspension is nothing new, L.V. has had that rule on there website since starting the crates.

[mhyde52]

None of this cheating penalty stuff matters if things are handled in the same manner as LV. NONE.

[Race Case]

[quote name='haZer' timestamp='1322516191' post='357917']
Kudos to Howie & Lyle, because that is the best rule I have seen for the 602 division in a long time.

I do remember some cubby go lucky fella saying "boot them for 1 calendar year" and they made my dream come true. lol

Full rules posted below for some divisions at the once again great race place...
[/quote]
does that mean that you and the Edwards team will run a 602 or will you be at the Ridge with the open sportsmen motor?

[c0astie31]

I love the air filter rule, yet 1 car ran it all year and they never were told to take it off, I here the way this division is going.

[zero3]

I dont really understand why tracks are lowering the big block minimum weight to 2450. That puts any driver over 200 at a disadvantage. 2450 is pretty tough to get to with a big block and still have the percentages where they need to be.

[GasketCase]

These rules are all over ridden by rule #1 ....

[color="#00FF00"][size="5"]Howie shalt do as he pleases.[/size][/color]

[Rob L]

It will be nice to see a race there on the dirt again. Back in October when we were headed home with the hauler from Rolling Wheels at about 2:30am, Todd said as we drove by the Malta exit that he wished he could have one more race there. Good news is it appears that will happen!

[JumpinJack]

In what way is it fair to make the ported small blocks weigh as much as the big blocks? You're giving up anywhere from 200-250 horsepower. I have never understood why the small blocks are always being put at such a disadvantage. We keep saying we need better car counts, well why not make it so the everyone can compete equally. The only weight that they got right in my opinion was for the spec head motor. The ported small blocks, be it dart steel head or brodix aluminum head should be 2,400lbs. The big blocks should be 2,500 lbs, I don't understand trying to get them to 2,450lbs. This was how it was done in the past until dirt changed it because all the "big boys" started bitching because they didn't like that they were getting beat. Look at u-r big blocks are2,500 and small blocks 2,400 both compete equally together, same thing at Fonda.

[Jake Spraker]

[quote name='JumpinJack' timestamp='1322577770' post='357973']
In what way is it fair to make the ported small blocks weigh as much as the big blocks? You're giving up anywhere from 200-250 horsepower. I have never understood why the small blocks are always being put at such a disadvantage. We keep saying we need better car counts, well why not make it so the everyone can compete equally. The only weight that they got right in my opinion was for the spec head motor. The ported small blocks, be it dart steel head or brodix aluminum head should be 2,400lbs. The big blocks should be 2,500 lbs, I don't understand trying to get them to 2,450lbs. This was how it was done in the past until dirt changed it because all the "big boys" started bitching because they didn't like that they were getting beat. Look at u-r big blocks are2,500 and small blocks 2,400 both compete equally together, same thing at Fonda.
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your wrong jumpin the cars that are winning at fonda are ported BRODIX HEADED ENGINES AND THEY ARE ONLY ABOUT 100 HP DIFF. BIG BLOCKS ARE AT BIG DISAVANTAGE AT FONDA NOW DAYS.

[elliott00]

rules are never easy.why would you make a big block go down in weight,so guys will spend to make it lighter?Howie isnt thinking clear on this. The new spec big block they are trying to use is usually 100 lbs lighter than the regular big block. why not add weight to the regular big blocks.howies rules are subject to change at will.sad because i want to see good racing this year. havent been to that track since 2000,thought i never would again now with bruce mowing the lawn cant wait

[yvan lacroix]

[quote name='Custom Bob' timestamp='1322520390' post='357925']

The only bad thing with the rule is if Joe Smoe buys a used motor and it's cheated up without Joe's knowing. So Beware buyers of used Crates and grab bags!
[/quote]

If you buy a used engine invite your local track tech to inspect it before giving over the money, saves reputations and reduces frustrations.

[50JAGAIN]

[quote name='Jake Spraker' timestamp='1322582666' post='357980']
your wrong jumpin the cars that are winning at fonda are ported BRODIX HEADED ENGINES AND THEY ARE ONLY ABOUT 100 HP DIFF. BIG BLOCKS ARE AT BIG DISAVANTAGE AT FONDA NOW DAYS.
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Yes they are ported brodix head engines, but are they small blocks or big small blocks?????

[JumpinJack]

Jake I'm going to have to disagree with you. On average bog blocks will make around 850hp. There are some out there that make more, I know for a fact that the motor that won Syracuse last year made 880 and have heard of other right there and a little higher. Obviously there are motors that make less, not everyone can afford topself. The ported small blocks will around 650hp. I have heard about some with the best of the best that made near 680 or so, or if you have a molar they tend to have more power. That would put it about 200hp difference, even if you went to the high end of the small block power that's still more than 150hp. And if you saythe small blocks that are winning at Fonda are about 100hp off the big blocks then I can't believe they are legal. To get that much power from them they would have to have domed pistons and/or be running bigger than 358ci.

JAMES

[Jake Spraker]

[quote name='50jAGAIN' timestamp='1322596805' post='358014']
Yes they are ported brodix head engines, but are they small blocks or big small blocks?????
[/quote]
THEY LOOK SMALL TO ME 50J !!!!!

[Jake Spraker]

[quote name='JumpinJack' timestamp='1322598967' post='358022']
Jake I'm going to have to disagree with you. On average bog blocks will make around 850hp. There are some out there that make more, I know for a fact that the motor that won Syracuse last year made 880 and have heard of other right there and a little higher. Obviously there are motors that make less, not everyone can afford topself. The ported small blocks will around 650hp. I have heard about some with the best of the best that made near 680 or so, or if you have a molar they tend to have more power. That would put it about 200hp difference, even if you went to the high end of the small block power that's still more than 150hp. And if you saythe small blocks that are winning at Fonda are about 100hp off the big blocks then I can't believe they are legal. To get that much power from them they would have to have domed pistons and/or be running bigger than 358ci.

JAMES
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THE BIG BLOCKS AT FONDA ARE AROUND 825 OR LESS NOBODY IS RUNNING SYRACUSE ENGINES AT FONDA ANYMORE. BUT THE WAY FONDA AND MALTA WILL BE YOU ARE GOING TO NEED ONE OF THEM SMALL SIZED BLOCKS TO BE UP FRONT . WANT ONE CALL JULIAN @ JPM !!!!!

[JumpinJack]

I wouldn't doubt that they detuned the big blocks at Fonda because of how slick it gets there. Just as a note the same motor that won Syracuse won twice in Florida once at brewerton and ran 3/4 of the year there without being detuned or rebuilt. The big horsepower motors are out there.

[Jake Spraker]

[quote name='JumpinJack' timestamp='1322601581' post='358042']
I wouldn't doubt that they detuned the big blocks at Fonda because of how slick it gets there. Just as a note the same motor that won Syracuse won twice in Florida once at brewerton and ran 3/4 of the year there without being detuned or rebuilt. The big horsepower motors are out there.
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I KNOW THEY ARE OUT THERE AT ONE TIME I HAD 3 BUT YOU ANIT RUNNING THEM AT FONDA ANYMORE ,LOOK AT BOBBY V THIS YEAR HE FINISHED OUT OF THE TOP 5 A FEW TIMES THIS YEAR YEARS PAST IT NEVER WOULD HAPPEN.

[NUTS4RACING]

850HP Isn't any good if the track can only take 700

[GasketCase]

[quote name='NUTS4RACING' timestamp='1322603644' post='358052']
850HP Isn't any good if the track can only take 700
[/quote]

Exactly. Hearn, Jumpin Jack, and Tremont all chose small blocks every time they had a choice at Malta, and they are the three most successful drivers in the track's history.

[Tony Farone]

[quote name='Jake Spraker' timestamp='1322600471' post='358033']
THE BIG BLOCKS AT FONDA ARE AROUND 825 OR LESS NOBODY IS RUNNING SYRACUSE ENGINES AT FONDA ANYMORE. BUT THE WAY FONDA AND MALTA WILL BE YOU ARE GOING TO NEED ONE OF THEM SMALL SIZED BLOCKS TO BE UP FRONT . WANT ONE CALL JULIAN @ JPM !!!!!
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If your buying I'll take one