Who pissed in DIRT's Cheerios?

[smallguy]

Bill, I think the easiest way to make open tires affordable is to specify what compounds can be used...and not what brands can be used.

 

Racers IMO have never really understood that tire money is essentially based on the markup vs. the cost of manufacturing the tire multiplied by the number of tires sold.  I don't think any tire company would intentionally incur a financial loss just to have their tire be the 'exclusive' at a particular facility or a certain sanction; it's basically a way to create a revenue stream while eliminating any competition.

 

Therefore (theoretically) the racer is, in essence, paying their own point fund money through whatever the markup is on the tires (something that we will never know i.e. manufacturing cost vs. markup for sale).

 

Granted, some tracks and sanctions around the nation have handled this differently; a few have chosen to sell tires themselves at drop dead cost or with a very small markup, while others have embraced the idea of selling the tires themselves as a means of bringing in additional revenue and being able to control who gets what (which can at times help level the playing field).

 

Honestly, I am not surprised by any of what's happening...call DIRTcar names if you want and shout about them being unfair, but this is what happens in the business world on a regular basis...it's a distinct corporate strategy in this day and age to try and eliminate competition, either by squeezing them out of their market share or in some scenarios, buying them outright (example:  Vince McMahon buys WCW, the chief competitor to WWE, once they've lost their TV deal and the asking price is minimal compared to the revenue that can be generated by not having competing shows...not to mention the licensing and sale of video/tape libraries...and the ability to sign fresh talent at below what could be considered 'fair market price').  We might not approve of the tactics from an ethical standpoint, but I think it's a microcosm of what the typical M.O. is for business in the 21st century.

 

Let's hope that, whether you're a driver or a fan, that whatever you spend your money on, regardless of what sanction/track it may be, that you're getting the return on your investment (in prize money or entertainment value).  THAT's the most important part of all.

[shaynet98]

So... I wonder what type of shows the "satellite" shows will be for next year's SDW with the demise of the 358 tour?  The 358s have put on fantastic shows.  

[jwin]

So... I wonder what type of shows the "satellite" shows will be for next year's SDW with the demise of the 358 tour?  The 358s have put on fantastic shows.  

The 358 tour is gone?  Where was that announcement?

[shaynet98]

 

So... I wonder what type of shows the "satellite" shows will be for next year's SDW with the demise of the 358 tour?  The 358s have put on fantastic shows.  

The 358 tour is gone?  Where was that announcement?

 

Sorry...That may have been reckless speculation on my part.  I looked at the scheduling of the BB SDS races and the elimination of some traditional 358 dates, coupled with what I thought I had been told.  There has been no official word either way.  Sorry about that.  

[predmore13]

So is it confirmed that OCFS, and Big Diamond will not be having a Deyo show next year because of there DIRTcar affiliation? or is it just speculation?

 

What i find odd is that 5 Mile Point gets a SDS race. 5 Mile is essentialy the home track of the ROC Dirt series and  American Racer cup. Now you have the SDS rolling in there with Hoosier.

 

What does this mean for the future of the ROC dirt series and the American Racer Cup?

[luke81]

 

 

Tire rules were supposed to save money, but it seems all it did was push lots of money into high tech shock development.

 

 

 

 

HO LEE CRAP!  I thought I was the only person ever who believes this, at least if you ask the people who run our series down here I am.  

[racer64]

:spiteful: How can dirt say they wont let Deyo have his shows at sanctioned tracks because He is their Competition then Give a race to Five Mile Point who also is there Competition  and Owns the ROC series

[ChrisAkulis]

:spiteful: How can dirt say they wont let Deyo have his shows at sanctioned tracks because He is their Competition then Give a race to Five Mile Point who also is there Competition and Owns the ROC series

That's a great question......

[LittleJimmy'sPizza]

:spiteful: How can dirt say they wont let Deyo have his shows at sanctioned tracks because He is their Competition then Give a race to Five Mile Point who also is there Competition  and Owns the ROC series

 

Maybe DirtCar is trying to pull one over on FMP by giving them the race but scheduling it on one of their original dates for an ROC show.  What stipulations come with getting a Dirt show?  

[CNYracefan]

I did find it a bit odd that the Utica-Rome pace car was one of the pace cars out on the track at Syracuse Friday night. Maybe G-R will find themselves as the only NASCAR track next year....hmmm.

[NYracefan]

:spiteful: How can dirt say they wont let Deyo have his shows at sanctioned tracks because He is their Competition then Give a race to Five Mile Point who also is there Competition  and Owns the ROC series

maybe DIRT and ROC are teaming up against Deyo, as they see him as a direct threat to each of their series?

[NiagaraRaceFan]

as a threat to Dirtcar?  get real.  ROC maybe... but unless he schedules events on the same dates in close proximity to a competing event I think the fans just get more events to choose from.

 

racer64, on 10 Oct 2014 - 11:30 PM, said:

 

:spiteful: How can dirt say they wont let Deyo have his shows at sanctioned tracks because He is their Competition then Give a race to Five Mile Point who also is there Competition  and Owns the ROC series?

 

very easily... they just said it and did it.  game over.  go back to sleep.

[groundpounder]

I did find it a bit odd that the Utica-Rome pace car was one of the pace cars out on the track at Syracuse Friday night. Maybe G-R will find themselves as the only NASCAR track next year....hmmm.

 

 

I always thought it would have made much more sense for U-R to go DIRTcar instead of NASCAR.  That will suck for G-R if they do go that route, just like it sucked for U-R this year. That exorbitant NASCAR license fee is a lot easier to take when you can use it at more than one track.  DIRTcar needs a Sunday big block track, and lets face it, the new ownership of Weedsport doesn't seem to have any interest in bringing back weekly Sunday night racing, unfortunately.

[leroy]

as a threat to Dirtcar? get real. ROC maybe... but unless he schedules events on the same dates in close proximity to a competing event I think the fans just get more events to choose from.

racer64, on 10 Oct 2014 - 11:30 PM, said:

:spiteful: How can dirt say they wont let Deyo have his shows at sanctioned tracks because He is their Competition then Give a race to Five Mile Point who also is there Competition and Owns the ROC series?

very easily... they just said it and did it. game over. go back to sleep.

DIRTcar can do whatever they want to. Example. Sticking Mohawk Speedway in the rear end. Again

[dan dan]

My guess would be the guy that is getting way more cars at his shows?

[ferg3298]

Doubt WRG is worried about a five race series, kind of sad though I wish they would of worked with Dyeo, could of been some exciting races with that combo

[leroy]

rumour has it that 5 Mile Point is getting a SDS race next year and Deyo is enemies of FMP/ Andy Harpell... so I think all of these things are related. really unfortunate about the NES event looking like it will not happen next year. Dirtcar should lease the track and put on the whole show themselves. Just after last year when it looked like a lot of walls were getting broken down and everybody was trying to work together.

if Dirtcar leased NE then they would actually have to pay out their own purse instead if getting someone else to pay it for them. Plus lose out on the sanction fee. They don't even like running races at tracks they own. Lol

[NiagaraRaceFan]

My guess would be the guy that is getting way more cars at his shows?

 

what about it?  I can show you video of Brian Carter at the drivers meeting at Charlotte last year stating that the 49 cars they had in attendance there was actually too many.  they didnt want that many because they didnt want to send home so many guys with no payout.  do you really think that Dirtcar begrudges Deyo his car counts?  If so this would have come up several years ago as an issue rather than Dirtcar working with Deyo to promote the SDS race at New Egypt 2 years in a row.

from what I have heard the issue emerged out of Dirtcar wanting to promote the New Egypt race without Deyo's help next year.  That is why he has scheduled a competing event on the same date.

[dan dan]

Show me any video you want. If anyone thinks 49 cars is to much is full of crap. Charlotte and Florida and sdw is a exception. There are vacations. When deyo can can pull 50 to 60 cars mid week and have a b main that pays you something he is doing something right. And this is comin from a guy that don't give a rats ass about roc, dirt or deyos shows.

[predmore13]

 

My guess would be the guy that is getting way more cars at his shows?

 

what about it?  I can show you video of Brian Carter at the drivers meeting at Charlotte last year stating that the 49 cars they had in attendance there was actually too many.  they didnt want that many because they didnt want to send home so many guys with no payout.  do you really think that Dirtcar begrudges Deyo his car counts?  If so this would have come up several years ago as an issue rather than Dirtcar working with Deyo to promote the SDS race at New Egypt 2 years in a row.

from what I have heard the issue emerged out of Dirtcar wanting to promote the New Egypt race without Deyo's help next year.  That is why he has scheduled a competing event on the same date.

 

 

Car counts aside. I find it glaring that Deyo pays out bigger purses at his races than the standard SDS purse. DIRTcar purses are absolutely a disgrace for as big of a "corporate" entity that they are.

 

Deyo is running a small business that is giving more money out than the big dog in modified racing, that being DIRTcar. Kind of like the local mom and pop hardware store selling products at a cheaper price than Home Depot or Lowes.

 

Deyo gives back to the racers. DirtCar, well i am not sure where all that money goes....

[Josh Bayko]

My guess would be the guy that is getting way more cars at his shows?

what about it? I can show you video of Brian Carter at the drivers meeting at Charlotte last year stating that the 49 cars they had in attendance there was actually too many. they didnt want that many because they didnt want to send home so many guys with no payout. do you really think that Dirtcar begrudges Deyo his car counts? If so this would have come up several years ago as an issue rather than Dirtcar working with Deyo to promote the SDS race at New Egypt 2 years in a row.

from what I have heard the issue emerged out of Dirtcar wanting to promote the New Egypt race without Deyo's help next year. That is why he has scheduled a competing event on the same date.

Car counts aside. I find it glaring that Deyo pays out bigger purses at his races than the standard SDS purse. DIRTcar purses are absolutely a disgrace for as big of a "corporate" entity that they are.

Deyo is running a small business that is giving more money out than the big dog in modified racing, that being DIRTcar. Kind of like the local mom and pop hardware store selling products at a cheaper price than Home Depot or Lowes.

Deyo gives back to the racers. DirtCar, well i am not sure where all that money goes....

You do know that DIRTcar doesn't pay the purses at series events, right? That's on the tracks, and if a track wanted to pay more than the standard purse, they'd be more than welcome to.

[joesplace]

Yes but Dirtcar allows their series to run for that purse.

[ferg3298]

I do not have a problem with the standard 6000 to win, but I do agree the bottom end needs to come up to at least 400 to start. WRG's stance with Deyo kind of sucks but there are plenty of tracks for Brett to run his series at. Competition is a good thing, just look at i88 and Five Mile point this past weekend, both tracks had very successful weekends.

[Josh Bayko]

Yes but Dirtcar allows their series to run for that purse.

You act like they're running for peanuts. The SDS gets paid a very good purse and a ridiculously good point fund for a very regional tour.

[Jake Spraker]

 

Yes but Dirtcar allows their series to run for that purse.

You act like they're running for peanuts. The SDS gets paid a very good purse and a ridiculously good point fund for a very regional tour.

 

have you looked at it ?