Josh Bayko Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Yes but Dirtcar allows their series to run for that purse. You act like they're running for peanuts. The SDS gets paid a very good purse and a ridiculously good point fund for a very regional tour. have you looked at it ? Yes, and it's comparable to other regional tours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Flag Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Was that a misprint or did Mark Johnson only get 600.00 for finishing 10th in the small block 150 lap race? I think the guy that finished 10th at Brett's I-88 race got as much or more. I don't have a dog in the fight, I am just a fan. Congrats to Mark on his good run at Syracuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captdonnie Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 No misprint that is what Marc recieved. It was a fun weekend and we didn't even get threatened once to get kicked out for the crews antics. That was a win for us in itself! 4 top 10 finishes in the last five years I'd say he has done well at the mile for an under funded team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FightForTheRail Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Was that a misprint or did Mark Johnson only get 600.00 for finishing 10th in the small block 150 lap race? I think the guy that finished 10th at Brett's I-88 race got as much or more. I don't have a dog in the fight, I am just a fan. Congrats to Mark on his good run at Syracuse. That is definitely not a misprint. The Syracuse small-block race has always been one of racing's most horrific purses on a cost/return basis. Six hundred for 10th is obviously no great shakes, but the purse falls off even more sharply after that. Twelfth is $350 and 15th is $290. From 20th on back is $250 in a 150-lap race. I only went to Syracuse for Sunday's Modified race. But in the past, there were certainly teams that ran the entire 150 mile race and received $250. But as long as 358 teams are willing to show up for $250 to start a 150-lap race at the Mile, the purse will always be that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moore8 Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Just wanted to shed a little light on the American Racer deal. In our last three series races, we have had 150 cars compete (Accord, Penn Can, I-88). We had one entry on Hoosiers, 149 on American Racers. It has been overwhelmingly in favor of the Racers. So it only makes sense as a business to sign an agreement that will help us with our point fund, attendance bonuses, marketing support, etc. There will certainly not be a stamp exclusive for the series, we will outline compound options as we have in the past. We remain a very small business compared to other groups in the industry, any help we can attain is only going to benefit us going forward. As far as the DIRTcar article, I can only control my own business and make it the best that it can be. I always say I have four bosses to answer to 1) our racers/car owners/crew members 2) fans 3) our track operators and 4) our sponsors. If they remain happy, we our doing the right things. Good luck and enjoy wherever you are going racing this week. being from Canada, we do get see more dirt car races and do follow the series races, but being at I-88 for the first time Sat., I was impressed with the track, an old fairgrounds track, and the racing was great, I was impressed with the track, and the organization, and I would attend any race that is promoted by Deyo, as every racer went home with some money, not many places can do that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke81 Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Where can we see the entire SDS series payout top to bottom? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
predmore13 Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Where can we see the entire SDS series payout top to bottom?This is from the recent SDS race at Fonda. I would assume that this is a standard purse. 1. 6000 2. 4000 3. 2500 4. 1800 5. 1600 6. 1400 7. 1200 8. 1000 9. 800 10. 700 11. 600 12. 500 13. 400 14. 375 15. 350 16. 325 17 through 30. 300 Total purse = 27750 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firestorm Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Speaking of bad payouts, lets just look at Syracuse. This year's total purse was $175,000, which is pathetic compared to the $360,000 total purse of 2003. Yeah $50k is cool and all, but shouldn't the biggest race of the year pay more than $6,000 for 5th, $3,000 for 10th, and $2,000 for 20th? Makes hardly any sense to even run that race IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FightForTheRail Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Speaking of bad payouts, lets just look at Syracuse. This year's total purse was $175,000, which is pathetic compared to the $360,000 total purse of 2003. Yeah $50k is cool and all, but shouldn't the biggest race of the year pay more than $6,000 for 5th, $3,000 for 10th, and $2,000 for 20th? Makes hardly any sense to even run that race IMO. I am positive the purse at Syracuse has not been reduced from $360,000 to $175,000 since 2003. That $360,000 figure I am fairly certain represents the purses paid out for all the divisions throughout the week. When Hearn was winning the Modified race in the early 1990s, he received $50,000 cash and the race was $1,500 to start. The purse at DIRT week has not gone up in forever, but it has not gone down.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groundpounder Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 I think you're right about the $360,000 figure, but I do recall the total for the 200 being just over $200 k about a decade ago, so it has gone down some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FightForTheRail Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 I think you're right about the $360,000 figure, but I do recall the total for the 200 being just over $200 k about a decade ago, so it has gone down some. I am not trying to argue over semantics, but it really hasn't. :) The purse has been exactly the same 1. 50,000; 2. $25,000, 3. $15,000, 4. $10,000. 5. 6,000, 6. 4,000...$1,500 to start for many years. I guess you could say that the purse went down $1,500 this year over past years in that the Win and You're In winner used start 45th, but the race only started 44 cars this year. It does suck that a team lost out on starting money this year. But other than that, the actual cash purse has not been reduced. Edit to add that some years, DIRT included the heat money and special awards in press releases/official results. Now, DIRTCar usually just lists the cash purse for the 200 itself in results. But the actual purse from the 200 itself has not gone down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firestorm Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 I got the $300,000 figure from all those old Syracuse races on Youtube, they always show beforehand the "total purse" under stuff like laps, pit window, among other things, so I always assumed that $300,000 figure was for that race alone. However, didn't the winner receive $100,000 a couple years? I remember Danny Johnson getting $100k for his win in '06 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FightForTheRail Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 However, didn't the winner receive $100,000 a couple years? I remember Danny Johnson getting $100k for his win in '06 The winner never received $100,000 cash. DIRT used to inflate the real, actual cash money paid out to make the purse look bigger than it really was or include things like the enclosed trailer that the winner used to receive in that figure, It was either when Alan Johnson won in 1989 or one of the Hearn wins in '90 or '91 that the Victory Lane check actually said $105,000. The race purse was still $50,000 to win. DIRT used to even include the Super DIRT Series point fund money in the press release from back in the days when the SDS used to end at Syracuse.and the Sunoco Trail was its own separate series. But as far as actual, green, spendable cash in concerned, the actual winner's share has never been $100,000 cash. It's just that the $50,000 cash listed in today's purse is a real number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outlaw Photos Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I got the $300,000 figure from all those old Syracuse races on Youtube, they always show beforehand the "total purse" under stuff like laps, pit window, among other things, so I always assumed that $300,000 figure was for that race alone. However, didn't the winner receive $100,000 a couple years? I remember Danny Johnson getting $100k for his win in '06Bobby... It has been 50,000 dollars in cash for ever.. They always used the 50,000 in gifts to make the 100,000.00 Back in the day cars , trucks , rings and parts were all included 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FightForTheRail Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I got the $300,000 figure from all those old Syracuse races on Youtube, they always show beforehand the "total purse" under stuff like laps, pit window, among other things, so I always assumed that $300,000 figure was for that race alone. However, didn't the winner receive $100,000 a couple years? I remember Danny Johnson getting $100k for his win in '06 Bobby... It has been 50,000 dollars in cash for ever.. They always used the 50,000 in gifts to make the 100,000.00 Back in the day cars , trucks , rings and parts were all included Ha, funny you should mention that. I can remember going to Syracuse in the late 1980s-early '90s, looking at the official results following Sunday's race and joking with my friends that if a driver received a free drink or campfire hot dog during the week, DIRT would include its value among that driver's SDW earnings. My friends and I used to always guess at how high the official race results would list the winner's earnings and exaggerated total purse.. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outlaw Photos Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I got the $300,000 figure from all those old Syracuse races on Youtube, they always show beforehand the "total purse" under stuff like laps, pit window, among other things, so I always assumed that $300,000 figure was for that race alone. However, didn't the winner receive $100,000 a couple years? I remember Danny Johnson getting $100k for his win in '06Bobby... It has been 50,000 dollars in cash for ever.. They always used the 50,000 in gifts to make the 100,000.00 Back in the day cars , trucks , rings and parts were all included Ha, funny you should mention that. I can remember going to Syracuse in the late 1980s-early '90s, looking at the official results following Sunday's race and joking with my friends that if a driver received a free drink or campfire hot dog during the week, DIRT would include its value among that driver's SDW earnings. My friends and I used to always guess at how high the official race results would list the winner's earnings and exaggerated total purse.. LOLRandy Ross use to call it 50,000 dollars and go fish...lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firestorm Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 WRG is really good at making themselves look like they pay good then. Always thought they paid more at least some point down the road, guess not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Bayko Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 WRG is really good at making themselves look like they pay good then. Always thought they paid more at least some point down the road, guess not. WRG is actually honest with what they pay out. Glenn Donnelly wasn't. At. All. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccbcrewchief Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 wow! inflation .the purse actually is worth a whole lot less in todays money world than it was say 10 years ago.figuring it that way it has to be worth say at least 30 to 40% less in value than it used to be. Can't argue that point its a fact.! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Bayko Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 wow! inflation .the purse actually is worth a whole lot less in todays money world than it was say 10 years ago.figuring it that way it has to be worth say at least 30 to 40% less in value than it used to be. Can't argue that point its a fact.! Just about every purse across racing has been the same for years now. It's not exclusive to the northeast. Can't argue that point either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FightForTheRail Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 wow! inflation .the purse actually is worth a whole lot less in todays money world than it was say 10 years ago.figuring it that way it has to be worth say at least 30 to 40% less in value than it used to be. Can't argue that point its a fact.! Just about every purse across racing has been the same for years now. It's not exclusive to the northeast. Can't argue that point either. I understand the point you are making, but I don't know that I completely agree with that. It is relatively easy to find major races or series that have increased significantly over the past 25 years -- the Knoxville Nationals, Freedom 76, Williams Grove National Open, standard WoO Sprint Car shows are all high-profile races or series outside the DIRT Modified sanction that have grown significantly over the past couple decades. Agree with your point about WRG being more honest than Donnelly regarding SDW purses, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
con7 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 You guys act like the fanbase has stayed the same in the last 15 years as well. Facts are, super dirt week crowd isn't what it used to be. Be glad they still pay 50k and 175k total. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAkulis Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 First Syracuse event I ever went to was in 1984; Jack Johnson won the race (125 laps) and got $42,000 cash and a new Mazda..... Fast forward to this year. The race is now 200 laps (actually longer with reds and late race cautions). The engines, tires, fuel, bodies, hotels, etc...are all AT LEAST double what they were in 1984.....and the winner gets $50,000. I'm no economics major, but.... Why does anyone even run this race anymore? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAkulis Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Forgot to add.....grandstand admission in 1984 was $25 (I still have the ticket stub). Sunday was $50 for the same seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bicknell55 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Forgot to add.....grandstand admission in 1984 was $25 (I still have the ticket stub). Sunday was $50 for the same seat. CPI calculator shows $25 in 1984 = $57 in 2014. So the price of a seat has somewhat followed inflation while the overall purse has not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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