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20 minutes ago, JohnyC said:

That’s one way to look at it. The other way to look at it is these players have millions of social media followers. Arguably nobody else can so greatly call attention to an issue, given their platform, then them. It’s not about them being privileged it’s about them using their standing to call attention to an issue. We can argue the merits on the issue that they are calling attention to, but this, IMO, is the precipice 

So protest on social media then.   Not while on the job.

Most people do what their boss asks.  Or they find someplace else to work.

  Simple.   If they were not so privileged? 

Precipice?  I had to look up.   steep cliff?

 

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That’s the easy way out. Once again pointing the finger at people and claiming racism is not an answer to all the self inflicted scenarios that black communities present themselves. There have been a

Exactly. Years ago it was Rodney King....nobody advertised his past, or the situation that led to his beat down. Nobody covered his continued legal woes after his situation. The guy was no good. They

5 minutes ago, JohnyC said:

That’s one way to look at it. The other way to look at it is these players have millions of social media followers. Arguably nobody else can so greatly call attention to an issue, given their platform, then them. It’s not about them being privileged it’s about them using their standing to call attention to an issue. We can argue the merits on the issue that they are calling attention to, but this, IMO, is the precipice 

I think it's fine if they want to use their celebrity status to raise awareness about some issues. I'm saying that nobody is using the stadium on Monday.  Use your millions to rent the stadium on Monday. Invite everyone to come and kneel with you. You can put the anthem replay and make a day of it.  Maybe follow it up with a little riot. But do it at your house. Don't crank up the poor people about how bad this country is and then send them back to wreck there own neighborhood. Take them back to your mansion and start the riot.

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Question.   Do they still do the pledge of allegiance in schools?  And are kids expected to stand? 

I do not have kids.  But I am guessing not?  Since it seems to be a free for all these days

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Come to think of it, the best way to avoid having people kneel during the national anthem, it’s just simply not play the national anthem before sporting event. When did that become a thing? Why not play the national anthem every day before you start work. Perhaps before you eat lunch? Hell, maybe you can have the kids recite the Pledge of Allegiance before they go to bed, then pray, and then you can all join in and sing the national anthem!

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9 minutes ago, leroy said:

Question.   Do they still do the pledge of allegiance in schools?  And are kids expected to stand? 

I do not have kids.  But I am guessing not?  Since it seems to be a free for all these days

NOPE,  it mentions God.  That word is not allowed in any government building. 

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1 hour ago, Uncle tom said:

 I’ll never get the rubes that have an American flag flying side by side with a confederate flag !(There’s usually another flag there Also, but don’t want to get into politics).

There's usually a Harley Davidson flag hanging along side of them and a 6 cylinder Mustang sitting in the yard as well.

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1 hour ago, leroy said:

So protest on social media then.   Not while on the job.

Most people do what their boss asks.  Or they find someplace else to work.

  Simple.   If they were not so privileged? 

Precipice?  I had to look up.   steep cliff?

 

The point of the protest is to make old, white guys bitch and complain about the protest. If the athletes simply post on social media, the reasons they are protesting would not have nearly the impact or exposure.

Tommie Smith and John Carlos protested on the medal stand at the 1968 Olympics because that is where everyone would see it.

 

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3 hours ago, JohnyC said:

But I’d be remiss if I didn’t say that there are significant underlying issue that requires immediate action. The disparity in wealth is widening. There remains issues with racial profiling. There remains issues with access to care and mental health. Again, I could go on.

Are you saying that the disparity in wealth is widening only with people of color?

3 hours ago, JohnyC said:

All this is to say I get why a person of colour chooses to protest the flag - the country in which they reside. Maybe they haven’t gotten a fair shake and I only hope this recent period of enlightenment is here to stay. 

A person of color who has been given a salary of millions of dollars isn't getting a fair shake in life in the United States? Hahahaha. Should the USA model themselves after countries that have ISIS groups that throw people in cages and burn them alive? Believe what you want but there's plenty of opportunities for people of all colors to succeed and rise up in the United States of America.

I do see a common theme though. Both Bubba and Kaepernick (who openly shows his disrespect for law enforcement) are/were both barely meeting mediocrity standards. So they aren't shining stars in what they're paid to do, so then they become social justice warriors to get 15 minutes of fame. Bubba is such a drama queen that he supported the noose conspiracy.

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Kap was better than people think. The team was shit more than he was. You don't take a team to a championship game and a Superbowl being a shitty QB. Kap's demise was the shitty carousel of head coaches except Jim Harbaugh. 

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Ok a few things here.

1. The Pledge is still done every day at the start of school in the majority of public school in the US. In my old home town on Thursdays they still have what is called release time. Where grade school kids can go to the local churches, synagogues, or mosques for an hour to learn about their faith. It's actually pretty common in small towns.

2. The "Rebel" Flag and the Civil War were not fought about slavery, it was fought over the lack of say the Southern States had in the Government. Not all White people who fly the Rebel Flag are racists. To them it's a symbol of Southern Pride and to stand up to unfair practices. (I know, kind of ironic huh?) To a ton of people who grew up in the late 70s and early 80s it just represents their favorite tv show. Even some African Americans remember it as such. The problem is everyone needs a symbol to point at. So the anti-racism groups use the Rebel Flag as theirs to point at. Before Hitler "The swastika or sauwastika — as a character, 卐 or 卍 respectively — is a geometrical figure and an ancient religious icon in the cultures of Eurasia. It is used as a symbol of divinity and spirituality in Indian religions, including Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism. In the Western world, it was a symbol of auspiciousness and good luck until the 1930s when the right-facing tilted form became a feature of Nazi symbolism as an emblem of the Aryan race." Wikipedia

And since the banning of the Rebel Flag in anyway whether an actual flag, or on a t-shirt, or anything else is now Banned by NASCAR at the race tracks. Southern viewership has dropped dramatically since NASCAR made their decision. 

3. If you are what most people call trailer trash or very low income type people, it doesn't matter if you're black or white. But the prejudice against the poor white isn't talked about. Those kids growing up in those conditions black or white have an extreme fight to raise their status. Everything is against them. More so for the white child because their are actually more grants and scholarships for non-whites. And there are actual government jobs like State Troopers who lower the standards for non-whites and white women. I remember my Junior year in HS, a loan specialist came in to discuss options with us. And actually said, "your parents are responsible for your higher education". When I went home told my mom that, she sadly laughed. Asking what world this woman came from. I had to sell my first car and have my Grandmother co-sign a loan for me to get in to my first college.

I'm not going to say I'm not a racist or prejudice because I think almost everyone is in one way or another. The dumbest thing I ever heard was a black man telling someone black people can't be racists. It's a two way street. Hate is Hate and the use of color just makes it more volatile. 

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1 hour ago, FightForTheRail said:

The point of the protest is to make old, white guys bitch and complain about the protest. If the athletes simply post on social media, the reasons they are protesting would not have nearly the impact or exposure.

Tommie Smith and John Carlos protested on the medal stand at the 1968 Olympics because that is where everyone would see it.

 

You sure as heck would not see a protest on social media in 1968.  😀 

I was not born yet in 68. So I would have to look up Tommie Smith and John Carlos. But I have a feeling that they were not spoiled rotten rich paid professionals

 

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4 hours ago, inthecuse said:

Are you saying that the disparity in wealth is widening only with people of color?

A person of color who has been given a salary of millions of dollars isn't getting a fair shake in life in the United States? Hahahaha. Should the USA model themselves after countries that have ISIS groups that throw people in cages and burn them alive? Believe what you want but there's plenty of opportunities for people of all colors to succeed and rise up in the United States of America.

I do see a common theme though. Both Bubba and Kaepernick (who openly shows his disrespect for law enforcement) are/were both barely meeting mediocrity standards. So they aren't shining stars in what they're paid to do, so then they become social justice warriors to get 15 minutes of fame. Bubba is such a drama queen that he supported the noose conspiracy.

I said that the disparity in wealth is widening. 
 

I said that people of colour aren’t getting a fair shake. I wasn’t talking about athletes I was talking about everyday citizens. I would say though that in the sporting world the number of minority coaches is disproportionately small in the NBA and NFL specifically to the number of black athletes. 
 

And honestly it’s pointless to try and hold an intelligent conversation on this subject so I won’t comment further. 
 

 

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44 minutes ago, JohnyC said:

I said that the disparity in wealth is widening. 
 

I said that people of colour aren’t getting a fair shake. I wasn’t talking about athletes I was talking about everyday citizens. I would say though that in the sporting world the number of minority coaches is disproportionately small in the NBA and NFL specifically to the number of black athletes. 
 

And honestly it’s pointless to try and hold an intelligent conversation on this subject so I won’t comment further. 
 

 

I do not believe you.   Lol

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The best part is the major issue causing all the protesting (police brutality) has been proven to be completely false. Bad cops do un-just things to as many or more white people per year than blacks.....and I know the percentage of population argument will come up to prove that inaccurate, but if we based it on population then African Americans should not account for the percentage of crime rate that they account for. Not to mention the people being protested for, are by and large complete shit bags. Why not protest for the young black girl that was shot and killed by a gang banger in a drive by? Or the child killed in the backseat of her mothers car in Atlanta? How about protest for the little boy who was white that was shot in the head this week in N.C. by his black neighbor, he was out playing with his siblings? Can you imagine the outrage if the ethnicities were swapped in that case? But Nope, brush those off the news docket.  If they want equality than we should completely dissolve everything affirmative action provides. From college admission, to workplace structure, to economic relief. Sadly many of the protesters are spoiled white kids who have never worked and are just out acting like idiots destroying property. They completely undermine the protest to begin with. As far as the national anthem being played before sporting events.....it’s a way to honor the nation we live in and the men and women who have given everything to protect it. It wasn’t just a popular song that one day became something played for a flag. The fact that even 1 veteran or veterans family feels disrespected by kneeling during it, is enough to say it’s not allowed. 

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15 minutes ago, rpm72x said:

The best part is the major issue causing all the protesting (police brutality) has been proven to be completely false. Bad cops do un-just things to as many or more white people per year than blacks.....and I know the percentage of population argument will come up to prove that inaccurate, but if we based it on population then African Americans should not account for the percentage of crime rate that they account for. Not to mention the people being protested for, are by and large complete shit bags. Why not protest for the young black girl that was shot and killed by a gang banger in a drive by? Or the child killed in the backseat of her mothers car in Atlanta? How about protest for the little boy who was white that was shot in the head this week in N.C. by his black neighbor, he was out playing with his siblings? Can you imagine the outrage if the ethnicities were swapped in that case? But Nope, brush those off the news docket.  If they want equality than we should completely dissolve everything affirmative action provides. From college admission, to workplace structure, to economic relief. Sadly many of the protesters are spoiled white kids who have never worked and are just out acting like idiots destroying property. They completely undermine the protest to begin with. As far as the national anthem being played before sporting events.....it’s a way to honor the nation we live in and the men and women who have given everything to protect it. It wasn’t just a popular song that one day became something played for a flag. The fact that even 1 veteran or veterans family feels disrespected by kneeling during it, is enough to say it’s not allowed. 

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If professional athletes really want to get their point across.....don’t play. Much like workers in other industries. Just stay the hell home and not play....that’s a protest. But, when push comes to shove, the money is more important than the protest so we will just disrespect our nation and then claim anyone who feels it’s wrong is a racist. 

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It’s awful god damn ironic Kyle Larson loses his job for saying something that some feel is very disrespectful....everyone agrees that he was wrong, even though many didn’t feel he was being hurtful. Everyone was forced to see it that way. Now if you are offended by kneeling? That’s your feeling? It’s too damn bad, your feelings don’t matter. Deal with it. 

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1 hour ago, rpm72x said:

The best part is the major issue causing all the protesting (police brutality) has been proven to be completely false. Bad cops do un-just things to as many or more white people per year than blacks.....and I know the percentage of population argument will come up to prove that inaccurate, but if we based it on population then African Americans should not account for the percentage of crime rate that they account for. Not to mention the people being protested for, are by and large complete shit bags. Why not protest for the young black girl that was shot and killed by a gang banger in a drive by? Or the child killed in the backseat of her mothers car in Atlanta? How about protest for the little boy who was white that was shot in the head this week in N.C. by his black neighbor, he was out playing with his siblings? Can you imagine the outrage if the ethnicities were swapped in that case? But Nope, brush those off the news docket.  If they want equality than we should completely dissolve everything affirmative action provides. From college admission, to workplace structure, to economic relief. Sadly many of the protesters are spoiled white kids who have never worked and are just out acting like idiots destroying property. They completely undermine the protest to begin with. As far as the national anthem being played before sporting events.....it’s a way to honor the nation we live in and the men and women who have given everything to protect it. It wasn’t just a popular song that one day became something played for a flag. The fact that even 1 veteran or veterans family feels disrespected by kneeling during it, is enough to say it’s not allowed. 

The body cam footage i just saw released this week of the George Floyd deal?  It does show a totally different perspective.  Than what was promoted by the media. No?

People should  be supporting the police .   Instead of blaming them every time they break the law

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12 minutes ago, leroy said:

The body cam footage i just saw released this week of the George Floyd deal?  It does show a totally different perspective.  Than was promoted by the media. No?

People should  be supporting the police .   Instead of blaming them every time they break the law

Exactly. Years ago it was Rodney King....nobody advertised his past, or the situation that led to his beat down. Nobody covered his continued legal woes after his situation. The guy was no good. They just did a poll in a bunch of cities, and I believe the number was 68% of all people polled wanted MORE police. These cities are complete war zones and totally unsafe. Those who think less police will solve it are completely ignorant. Thats the most stupid idea I’ve ever heard, the belief that loads of officers are out gunning down blacks for no reason is a close second. There is a constant in all of these “brutality” cases, and it isn’t a color, it’s the fact the law breaking perpetrator doesn’t shut the hell up and do what the officers say. It’s a really easy thing to comprehend. Do what your told by the guy with the gun and badge. If you cannot understand why someone gets shot who assaults and officer, steals a taser, runs then fired the taser at the officer....you should be beaten. Not to mention if your scared of the possibility that a police officer could abuse/kill you, there’s some simple steps to avoid it. 1st- don’t break the damn law. 2nd- if step 1 is too god damn difficult , then when the officer arrives, shut the fu*k up and do exactly as your told, show a bit of respect and you will 99.999% of the time be totally unharmed. 

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The whole George Floyd thing was personal, not exactly racial. They both moonlighted at the same local club. And had clashed many times. Floyd didn't like the way Derek Chauvin bullied customers he didn't like. I actually feel bad for the other 3 officers who thought they were just backing up a brother officer. I'm sure George copped an attitude when Chauvin rolled up on him. It was a bad situation all around. Whether Chauvin meant to kill Floyd or just didn't care what happen to him who knows?

But I was upset to see national news basically bury a news story of a 25 year old black woman toss a 60+ year old woman using a can to the ground at Staples. And it barely got a whisper from Fox/NBC/CNN. It was a true Karen episode but the woman wasn't white. The black girl came up from behind her at the copy machine, the elderly lady turned to see the woman and asked her to cover her face fully. (the black girl had her nose out of the mask). When the women asked her to please step back the girl grabbed her and tossed her to the ground, breaking her leg. She had also just had a liver transplant. No one came to help the woman till everyone was sure the black lady had left. It was friggen sad. Now people are to scared to call someone out for being an asshole especially if they are a different color. 

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1 minute ago, Jack Brady said:

The whole George Floyd thing was personal, not exactly racial. They both moonlighted at the same local club. And had clashed many times. Floyd didn't like the way Derek Chauvin bullied customers he didn't like. I actually feel bad for the other 3 officers who thought they were just backing up a brother officer. I'm sure George copped an attitude when Chauvin rolled up on him. It was a bad situation all around. Whether Chauvin meant to kill Floyd or just didn't care what happen to him who knows?

But I was upset to see national news basically bury a news story of a 23 year old black woman toss a 60+ year old woman using a can to the ground at Staples. And it barely got a whisper from Fox/NBC/CNN. It was a true Karen episode but the woman wasn't white. The black girl came up from behind her at the copy machine, the elderly lady turned to see the woman and asked her to cover her face fully. (the black girl had her nose out of the mask). When the women asked her to please step back the girl grabbed her and tossed her to the ground, breaking her leg. She had also just had a liver transplant. No one came to help the woman till everyone was sure the black lady had left. It was friggen sad. Now people are to scared to call someone out for being an asshole especially if they are a different color. 

There are plenty of pieces of shit walking around in this country of all colors. But Only some are celebrated and felt bad for. 

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Like I said in an earlier post. People need something to point at for their cause.

This may also be why people have a problem with BLM, when you have black men doing this to a 91 year old lady.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/disturbing-video-shows-random-attack-hydrant-head-smash-of-92-year-old-woman-in-manhattan/2466659/

Sorry the woman in the Staples case was 54 not in her 60s. 

https://youtu.be/ouB8MtTrsGo

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5 hours ago, JohnyC said:

I said that the disparity in wealth is widening. 
 

I said that people of colour aren’t getting a fair shake. I wasn’t talking about athletes I was talking about everyday citizens. I would say though that in the sporting world the number of minority coaches is disproportionately small in the NBA and NFL specifically to the number of black athletes. 
 

And honestly it’s pointless to try and hold an intelligent conversation on this subject so I won’t comment further. 
 

 

Not getting a fair shake?? Tell me 1 thing....just 1 that blacks are not allowed to do in this country?? No one has ever answered this for me. I dont care what color you are if you get off your ass and go to work everyday and follow the law you'll be just fine in this country.  All this other stuff is complete BS and people like you fall for it hook line and sinker. Wtf.

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