Jack Brady Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 In this case it would be a good consideration for Sheppard to run both Utica and Fonda. The more NASCAR sanctioned races the better he improves his chances. I don't think just running Utica will be enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leroy Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, BillSmith said: Honestly, it's going to be great PR and good bank for Brett (and Matt) to be able to brag about having "NASCAR National Champion Matt Sheppard," which is a distinct possibility if he cleans up at both Utica-Rome and Fonda. A lot of prestige and attention from more casual fans -- will be great marketing. I thinking Sheppard becomes a regular at Fonda now? Last year he split weekend between Orange County and Canandaigua. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Brady Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Yeah but there was a ton of money at OCFS, this isn't the case now. Now you also have to consider Sheppard needs so many races at a DIRTcar sanctioned track for his SDS pts. Which I don't know how much NASCAR pays, but DIRTcar SDS payout is very good. I don't think he can win both by just racing Utica for the NASCAR pts. What are the chances of running Fonda and still getting the DIRTcar track pts he'll need for the SDS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sicklajoie Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 15 minutes ago, Jack Brady said: Yeah but there was a ton of money at OCFS, this isn't the case now. Now you also have to consider Sheppard needs so many races at a DIRTcar sanctioned track for his SDS pts. Which I don't know how much NASCAR pays, but DIRTcar SDS payout is very good. I don't think he can win both by just racing Utica for the NASCAR pts. What are the chances of running Fonda and still getting the DIRTcar track pts he'll need for the SDS? Regional champ is based on your best 14, National based on your best 18. He ran 14 regular races at U/R last year (don't know if the Thunder on the Thruway races there would count towards NA$CAR points) so realistically he doesn't have to run that many races at Fonda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpm72x Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Matt won’t compromise his dirtcar status. He will be at canandaigua/weedsport and any early openers to make sure he has what he needs for SDS points. That’s an automatic 50k a year. No way Fonda gets in the way of that as far as every week goes. I don’t doubt he will go a few times to make sure he has his 14-18 wins necessary to wrap up all of the Nascar money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Downing Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 The price increase for fonda stands and pits was announced a while ago, and its also the 1st increase since BD has been running the place. If the extra 2 dollars hurts you going to the races for which the product is worth the money, maybe flo is the place for you, sitting at home. If people are not complaining about the purse structures for drivers, that dont race for money in reality, they are complaining what it costs to get into any place. Less bitching, more racing support, would go a long way to solving the problems that are complained about, but are just opinions of those with next to no skin in the game overall. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJO Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, rpm72x said: Matt won’t compromise his dirtcar status. He will be at canandaigua/weedsport and any early openers to make sure he has what he needs for SDS points. That’s an automatic 50k a year. No way Fonda gets in the way of that as far as every week goes. I don’t doubt he will go a few times to make sure he has his 14-18 wins necessary to wrap up all of the Nascar money. FYI: 2022 Craig Von Dohren raced at Grandview under NASCAR, he had, 23 Starts, 11 Wins, 18 Top 5s, 22 Top 10s and he finished 3rd in the NASCAR weekly Division 1. State of New York is in this Division also. I do believe he will have to run more then 14-18 races to win this division. Layne Riggs won this Division with 43 starts, 16 wins, 30 top 5s and 38 top 10s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpm72x Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 50 minutes ago, RJO said: FYI: 2022 Craig Von Dohren raced at Grandview under NASCAR, he had, 23 Starts, 11 Wins, 18 Top 5s, 22 Top 10s and he finished 3rd in the NASCAR weekly Division 1. State of New York is in this Division also. I do believe he will have to run more then 14-18 races to win this division. Layne Riggs won this Division with 43 starts, 16 wins, 30 top 5s and 38 top 10s. That’s cool….Matt will win more than both of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpm72x Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 If someone stops attending anything because of a 2 dollar price increase……well that person has stopped doing literally anything recreational. 2 dollars of increased cost is nothing compared to basically everything else in life. If that 2-10 dollars a night (1-5 people attending)bursts the weekly budget……stay home, cancel all streaming services and other forms of home entertainment….and take a good long hard look at your financial situation and pinpoint the issues. Card games and chutes and ladders are probably more appropriate forms of fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FightForTheRail Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 59 minutes ago, rpm72x said: That’s cool….Matt will win more than both of them. Peyton Sellers did just that last year -- and didn't win the national title. He won 18 races (only a driver's best 18 races count for the national championship), and finished second in the national standings. Car counts matter under the NASCAR Weekly series format. Anything less than 18 cars is not considered a "full field" under the system format. Starting position also matters, which isn't much of a factor at any place with handicapping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inthecuse Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Why does Brett and Dean think that we are simpletons and will be entertained by them bragging about the same guy winning all of their titles? They need to stop resting on their laurels and provide us real entertainment for their asking price of $30-100 per show for 2023. #providemorethanonecreamtorisetothetop 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpm72x Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 4 hours ago, inthecuse said: Why does Brett and Dean think that we are simpletons and will be entertained by them bragging about the same guy winning all of their titles? They need to stop resting on their laurels and provide us real entertainment for their asking price of $30-100 per show for 2023. #providemorethanonecreamtorisetothetop What exactly would you like them to do? The only remote option to give Matt some competition is Stew and TMac deciding to go full time 100% modified racing. And that still may not work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WheelsUpHammerDown10 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 15 minutes ago, rpm72x said: What exactly would you like them to do? The only remote option to give Matt some competition is Stew and TMac deciding to go full time 100% modified racing. And that still may not work. Yeah not sure what you want them to do? Add a Sheppard’s bonus and offer him a cash prize to start last in every race? He’ll still get some wins even doing that. Not that it’s a real scenario any way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 8 hours ago, FightForTheRail said: Peyton Sellers did just that last year -- and didn't win the national title. He won 18 races (only a driver's best 18 races count for the national championship), and finished second in the national standings. Car counts matter under the NASCAR Weekly series format. Anything less than 18 cars is not considered a "full field" under the system format. Starting position also matters, which isn't much of a factor at any place with handicapping. I believe there is some type of rule about the drivers in the race being NASCAR licensed counting towards the full field deal. There was a story last year about the National Championship where although it seemed like a full field, one title contender lost points because other drivers in the race were not NASCAR licensed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpm72x Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 2 hours ago, WheelsUpHammerDown10 said: Yeah not sure what you want them to do? Add a Sheppard’s bonus and offer him a cash prize to start last in every race? He’ll still get some wins even doing that. Not that it’s a real scenario any way. Absolutely. There’s nothing that a promoter of any sort can do to manufacture competition. They can put bounties up……try to make more of a show. That may build some more interest and excitement, but it’s not going to change many outcomes. Everyone has the same cars, many have the same engine packages, some teams spend more and have just as much help. There’s just nobody in his league and there’s nothing that can be done about that outside of other teams stepping up the program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old racer Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 On 1/22/2023 at 10:14 AM, leroy said: No doubt he does well. But I bet it would not hurt his feelings any if Big Diamond joined up with Nascar. Consider the $25,000 National point championship is based on top 18 finishes. The $35,000 regional point fund is based on top 14 finishes. So the more races you run under Nascar sanction......... better odds of getting some of that money Peter Danial's won National NASCAR Championship winning 14 out of 18 Claremont , NH Speedway Mod features in 2002 ...That was 21 yrs ago and I think it paid more money to win back then .. Should pay $100k at least to win .......$25K to win NASCAR National Championship is a JOKE or hopefully a misprint .....OC paid $30k to win weekly points last year and $25k year before ...I think FONDA pays over $10k .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpm72x Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 21 minutes ago, old racer said: Peter Danial's won National NASCAR Championship winning 14 out of 18 Claremont , NH Speedway Mod features in 2002 ...That was 21 yrs ago and I think it paid more money to win back then .. Should pay $100k at least to win .......$25K to win NASCAR National Championship is a JOKE or hopefully a misprint .....OC paid $30k to win weekly points last year and $25k year before ...I think FONDA pays over $10k .... Of course everyone would like Point funds to pay more money, but any bonus point fund that requires you to do no more than race at your home track is quite a benefit. No traveling required or big special events…..you just have an added chance to get paid for doing exactly what you planned on already. Not to mention…..there’s still some racetracks that pay 5k or less for a modified champion. OCFS and Deyos weekly point funds are the outliers not the norm. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sicklajoie Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 34 minutes ago, old racer said: Peter Danial's won National NASCAR Championship winning 14 out of 18 Claremont , NH Speedway Mod features in 2002 ...That was 21 yrs ago and I think it paid more money to win back then .. Should pay $100k at least to win .......$25K to win NASCAR National Championship is a JOKE or hopefully a misprint .....OC paid $30k to win weekly points last year and $25k year before ...I think FONDA pays over $10k .... Yes, the NA$CAR national weekly champion for this past year got 25K. In 2001, Ted Christopher won 15 of 18 races at Thompson and claimed the NASCAR Weekly Racing Series National Championship. TC received more than $160,000 from the $1.7 million NASCAR Weekly Racing Series point fund. TWENTY ONE YEARS AGO. This, in a nutshell, shows you just how far NA$CAR has fallen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inthecuse Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 STSS and WRG have great contacts and partners. WRG has the late model and sprints under them. Deyo now has NASCAR on his side. If it were my product and my source of income, raising the competition level would be the first priority. Otherwise, you're not going to have any front gate income when people keep seeing the same show on repeat and then stop attending races. SDS had 9 drivers that entered all 19 shows - of those 9, only 4 had a feature win. Matt-7, Mat-3, Jimmy-1, Max-1. STSS North had 4 drivers start 10 races and 3 drivers start 11 races. Matt won 5 (HALF of the series) and 90,000 more than the second place guy in points. STSS South had 8 drivers enter all 8 races out of 110 drivers - 1) Matt-$81,700, 2) Godown-$27,756, 3) Mike Gular-$12,981. What does that say about the competition and excitement level? When you know the same guy is going to win - how exciting is that for a fan? In all cases, 2nd place on down is so far behind it's mind-blowing. I was pretty much laughed at when I said this before, but start recruiting some top level drivers to drive mods. If the answer is that it's not enough money for other top drivers to run mods - then why bother even raising the purses and point funds if you're going to have 1 full-time driver and a bunch of other drivers that treat it as a hobby or fit it in when they can? Glenn made sure he had about 12 drivers that made their living racing mods to make sure there was a show put on for the fans. I will ask this - if the whole point of raising purses, raising point funds, and expanding geographic areas is to make the sport grow - how long before a new fan loses interest because 1 guy wins all the titles and championships and there's basically no competition. Or - how long before long time fans start spending their time and money elsewhere because they don't see any drivers coming into the program that race full-time and actually put up some wins to provide some excitement? 12 hours ago, rpm72x said: What exactly would you like them to do? The only remote option to give Matt some competition is Stew and TMac deciding to go full time 100% modified racing. And that still may not work. 11 hours ago, WheelsUpHammerDown10 said: Yeah not sure what you want them to do? Add a Sheppard’s bonus and offer him a cash prize to start last in every race? He’ll still get some wins even doing that. Not that it’s a real scenario any way. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpm72x Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 27 minutes ago, inthecuse said: STSS and WRG have great contacts and partners. WRG has the late model and sprints under them. Deyo now has NASCAR on his side. If it were my product and my source of income, raising the competition level would be the first priority. Otherwise, you're not going to have any front gate income when people keep seeing the same show on repeat and then stop attending races. SDS had 9 drivers that entered all 19 shows - of those 9, only 4 had a feature win. Matt-7, Mat-3, Jimmy-1, Max-1. STSS North had 4 drivers start 10 races and 3 drivers start 11 races. Matt won 5 (HALF of the series) and 90,000 more than the second place guy in points. STSS South had 8 drivers enter all 8 races out of 110 drivers - 1) Matt-$81,700, 2) Godown-$27,756, 3) Mike Gular-$12,981. What does that say about the competition and excitement level? When you know the same guy is going to win - how exciting is that for a fan? In all cases, 2nd place on down is so far behind it's mind-blowing. I was pretty much laughed at when I said this before, but start recruiting some top level drivers to drive mods. If the answer is that it's not enough money for other top drivers to run mods - then why bother even raising the purses and point funds if you're going to have 1 full-time driver and a bunch of other drivers that treat it as a hobby or fit it in when they can? Glenn made sure he had about 12 drivers that made their living racing mods to make sure there was a show put on for the fans. I will ask this - if the whole point of raising purses, raising point funds, and expanding geographic areas is to make the sport grow - how long before a new fan loses interest because 1 guy wins all the titles and championships and there's basically no competition. Or - how long before long time fans start spending their time and money elsewhere because they don't see any drivers coming into the program that race full-time and actually put up some wins to provide some excitement? Once again what’s your solution? Recruit drivers from halfway across the country to stop racing for more money and move to NY and buy modifieds? That sounds like it will work. It’s not the promoters fault that the only 2 drivers currently that would be competitive 25 years ago are Matt and part time Stew. Glenn had a dozen of the top 20 all time modified drivers in their prime. At that time innovation was huge as well. Nothing can be done to replicate that. It’s a more realistic idea to give Matt 300k a year to stay home and quit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inthecuse Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 18 minutes ago, rpm72x said: Once again what’s your solution? Recruit drivers from halfway across the country to stop racing for more money and move to NY and buy modifieds? That sounds like it will work. It’s not the promoters fault that the only 2 drivers currently that would be competitive 25 years ago are Matt and part time Stew. Glenn had a dozen of the top 20 all time modified drivers in their prime. At that time innovation was huge as well. Nothing can be done to replicate that. It’s a more realistic idea to give Matt 300k a year to stay home and quit. I did get a laugh out of the give him 300k a year to stay home and quit. Makes me wonder if he'd take such a deal if it were offered. To your point, I guess there is no solution for the mod world. I guess we just sit back and watch the same guy do the same thing for the next 15-20 years and see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpm72x Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 30 minutes ago, inthecuse said: I did get a laugh out of the give him 300k a year to stay home and quit. Makes me wonder if he'd take such a deal if it were offered. To your point, I guess there is no solution for the mod world. I guess we just sit back and watch the same guy do the same thing for the next 15-20 years and see what happens. Well…..yea probably. Idk about 15-20 but the next 5-10 look like Matt’s to lose. There’s no young up and comer that looks to be in his league. The strongest competition currently have probably reached their peak……and don’t seem to be real close. There was a 2 year gap where the coils/left side stuff took hold…..Mat Williamson looked to be neck and neck with Matt and stew may have been a tick better for a time. Matt has figured the coils out and now he’s further ahead than he was prior to the new suspension design. Realistically if you wanted to stop the domination of Matt and a couple others……you would have to make the cars far easier to drive all the time. Make the best engine allowed super affordable. Truly put everyone on an easier level playing field. Like get rid of all open motors and only run w-16s or 604 crates. Take much of the driver skill out of it along with financial gaps. Remove technology in shocks and springs, make it to where any dipshit on any night can win and you will see lots of winners. If you remove the need for lots of driving talent, well lots of guys will be able to run up front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FightForTheRail Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 3 hours ago, old racer said: Peter Danial's won National NASCAR Championship winning 14 out of 18 Claremont , NH Speedway Mod features in 2002 ...That was 21 yrs ago and I think it paid more money to win back then .. Should pay $100k at least to win .......$25K to win NASCAR National Championship is a JOKE or hopefully a misprint .....OC paid $30k to win weekly points last year and $25k year before ...I think FONDA pays over $10k .... The Winston Racing Series from 20 years ago was run under a different format from what the system is now. Back then, RJR was dumping lots of money into weekly racing through Winston. The WRS used an index as opposed to a points system to crown champions back then. Yes, there is less money for weekly NASCAR racing than there was 20 years ago, but the "national" champion is just in name. CVD finished third nationally just by running a track 20 minutes from home that he would race at whether it was NASCAR or not. He did way less traveling than anyone following DIRTCar or the STSS. OCFS only paid what they did the last few years because they had a guy willing to lose his ass. That is not at all sustainable. Hence, the fact that they are headlining with Sportsman a lot of night this coming season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sicklajoie Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 35 minutes ago, FightForTheRail said: The Winston Racing Series from 20 years ago was run under a different format from what the system is now. Back then, RJR was dumping lots of money into weekly racing through Winston. The WRS used an index as opposed to a points system to crown champions back then. Yes, there is less money for weekly NASCAR racing than there was 20 years ago, but the "national" champion is just in name. CVD finished third nationally just by running a track 20 minutes from home that he would race at whether it was NASCAR or not. He did way less traveling than anyone following DIRTCar or the STSS. OCFS only paid what they did the last few years because they had a guy willing to lose his ass. That is not at all sustainable. Hence, the fact that they are headlining with Sportsman a lot of night this coming season. Not to be nitpicky, but Winston left the weekly racing series after 1999. It was unsponsored for a couple years then Dodge came in around 2002. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DowntheBackStretch Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 20 hours ago, inthecuse said: Why does Brett and Dean think that we are simpletons and will be entertained by them bragging about the same guy winning all of their titles? They need to stop resting on their laurels and provide us real entertainment for their asking price of $30-100 per show for 2023. #providemorethanonecreamtorisetothetop Brett doesnt charge $30 per show like the others. Yes, the 410 Sprints are $30 along with the New Yorker, Port Royal and the Fonda 200. The other 58 shows are not $30 like the SDS charges. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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